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not be given out until I came. I then said, that with that understanding, I would call the next day. Accordingly, I called the next day, at 9 o'clock, and asked Mr. West (he being alone again) if he had heard from the yard ? He said yes, and that the timber was given out. I asked him to whom ? He said to Mr. Jonathan Ray, and I left the office. I inquired of Mr. West if he had made it knowu that I had applied for the timber, and he said that he had told Mr. Gatewood of it.

Question. Have you ever been deterred from offering to supply timber or other articles, required by the navy, under the impression that the orders for articles not contracted for were given to the political friends of the then administration, and that those opposed to the administration were not allowed a fair chance to participate in furnishing the supplies?

Answer. In answer, I state that I have ; and that, from the impression made on my mind, I did resolve never to apply at the navy agent's office again, and did not apply, for about the space of twelve months. Since that time I have made an offer, within the present year.

TO INTERROGATORIES BY MR. LOYALL. Question. Did you know the kind and quality of timber required, or the probable amount of the bill ?

Answer. I did not.
Question. Do you know now, and will you state it ?
Answer. I do not.

Question. Did you ever complain to the agent, and ask for any explanation of the circumstance ?

Answer. I never did.

Question. Do you seriously believe that any offer of yours was ever rejected by me, or by any one for me, from political considerations ?

Answer. I did believe so at the time, but whether it was so in fact, I cannot now say.

Question. Have you not furnished large quantities of timber for the nary, and have you ever been treated improperly at the office in the settlement of your accounts ?

Answer. I have furnished large quantities under contracts with the Navy Commissioners, and have always been treated at the agent's office with the greatest courtesy and respect.

Question. Can you state who was the friend that informed you that a bill of timber was coming out? Answer. I do not feel myself at liberty, at this time, to mention his name.


. I wish to explain my answer to the first interrogatory propounded to me on the 6th instant, by saying, that when Mr. West informed me that “ he had made it known that I had applied for the timber, and he said that he had told Mr. Gatewood of it," I did not understand whether he told him before or after the order was given to Mr. Ray.

TO INTERROGATORY BY MR. GATEWOOD. Question. As I have now shown you the b i of Mr. Ray, for the timber he furnished on the occasion referred to, amounting to $95 29, if you had known it was so small, would you have troubled yourself to apply for it? Answer. I do not know that I should, or should not.


Sworn to, before me, this 27th day of July, 1841.

G. B. COOKE, J. P.

Statement of J. F. Hunter and J. Dickson.

brused lines of tar, pitch, "ches of mad, are

We beg leave to submit the following statement in relation to our testimony, given before you at the investigation of the pavy agency at this place, drawn up on an examination of a comparative statement of prices, and submitted by Mr. Tunstall:

We do so, jointly, inasmuch as our testimony is reviewed together by Mr. T., althongh taken separately, and we have not been connected in business for upwards of twelve months. Mr. T. proceeds by stating his knowledge of the navy and mercantile business, in the ship chandlery line, enables him to state they are materially different, as to the quality and description of articles used. Our testimony admits that many articles required for national armed ships are not used by merchant vessels; but a large proportion of them, we contend, are the same, as to description and quality, in both these branches of marine-such as paints ground in oil and dry, varnishes, tar, pitch, rosin, turpentine, tallow, wax, sheet lead, zinc, tarred lines of various descriptions, white lines of different kinds, bunting, brushes, twine, deck lights, cotton duck, (except hammock for cloths,) nails, cut and wrought; scupper and clout tacks; iron and copper spikes, cut and wrought; pumps, copper and wood; reels, time glasses, hammers, hatchets, şaws, trumpets, chisels, gouges, augers, brooms, lamp wick, soap, and a variety of other articles usually kept in our stock, inferior in quality to none to be had. We do not insist every article required by the navy was embraced in our stock of ship chandlery, but contend a large proportion of them were ; that the stock of Dickson, Hunter, & Hipkins, was always very large, and that our facilities for doing business would have enabled us to comply with requisitions from the navy as promptly as any dealer in the place.

Mr. T. submits a comparative statement of prices charged the navy, with prices named by us in our testimony, and prices charged by us to vessels, merchants, and underwriters.

The bills from which these prices are extracted are not before us, having been withdrawn by the party who submitted them ; we cannot, therefore, designate nor name the circumstances under which they were created. Many bills, in doing business with individuals, varying, according to particular contracts with them, 10 the length of time for payment, mode of payment, &c. We do not, by any means, deny their existence, but refer you to the interrogatory put to us, viz :

You will please state the wholesale prices of leading articles, &.c., which we accordingly did, to the best of our recollection, referring but in (one) or two instances to our books; yet these wholesale prices are entered in a

comparative statement with prices of goods at retail. (For, notwithstanding the amount of a particular bill is stated in aggregate to be $2,200, as rendered by us, we are confident, from the character of supplies to merchant vessels, it was made up principally of cordage, Russia canvass, sheet copper, chain cables-articles paying but a small profit.) For example, white lead by the keg, twine by the skein, (one or two pounds) small quantities of dry and other paints, verdigris by the cannister, marline by the few pounds, copper tacks by the 100 or 1,000, brushes by tho single one, tallow by the 1, 2, or few pounds, spirits of turpentine by the quart or gallon, cotton duck by the single bolt or yard, tar by the barrel, varnish by the gallon, needles by the 1, 2, or half dozen, sheet lead by the small quantity, and most probably cut in form or shape, as ordered, which is usual in the merchant service, are compared with same articles ordered in most instances as follows: White lead by the 100 kegs, twine by the bale, dry paints by the two or three hundred pounds, as litharge and verdigris by the quantity, marline, hawseline, hambroline, by the coil or larger quantity, spirits of turpentine by the barrel, cotton duck by 20 bolts or more, tar by the 20 or 30 barrels, bright varnish by the barrel, needles by the 100, sheet lead by the 500, 800, or 1,000 pounds. We have introduced a statement (marked A) of our wholesale, and, in some instances, cash sales, taken from our books by our book-keepers, of sundry articles which have been sold to individuals, for the most part on long time, and payable in current funds; also, the cost price of said articles from our invoice books, going to show the wholesale prices named by us to you are substantially correct, varying oftener below prices then named than above, and further showing at such prices articles yielded us a fair profit.

No allowance is made for the entire difference in the character of the business by Mr. T., so far as quantities are charged, nor allowance made for credit or cash payments, the responsibility of the Government over individuals, (a most important point, as the heavy losses by our books will show,) nor none for the further advantage of the mode of payment by the Government, which has varied, for some time, from 3 to 5 and 7 per cent. in favor of specie payments.




Norfolk. Borough, July 29, 1841.-Sworn to before me, by James F: Hunter and John Dickson.


Statement showing wholesale sales of articles of ship chandlery, and in

voice cost of same, made by Dickson, Hunter, & Hipkins, from 1837 up to 1st July, 1840, and by John Dickson and James F. Hunter, from that date until present time, with reference to articles named in their testimony before the commissioners.



Invoice cost.

Esplanatory remarks.

Prices at which
the sales were

1837. - September Varnish

28 per gallon 22 October Varnish

27 per gallon 20 September Sewing twine

42 per pound 32 February Black lead

$2 75 per keg $1 87 January Black paint

$2 25 per keg

$1 62 February Soap

07 per pound 6 July Soap

064 p. pound 54 May Tar

$2 25 per barrel $2 00 May Sewing twine

45 per pound 35 June Whipping twine


25 July Tar $2 12) per bbl. $2 00

Wholes'e sales, on time. 074

069 October Marline, hawseline, and 18 to 25

18 hambroline. August Tallow


10 December Whipping twine


18 Marline, bawseline, and 25

16 hambruline. June Verdigris


35 September Green paint


164 December Tallow


10 1837. Bunting

$6 50

No wholesale salos. 1837. Cupper tacks


No wholesale sales. 1837. White lead


Disc't off on 6 mo. time. 1837., Litharge


No wholesale sales. 1837. Red lead


No wholesale salos. 1838. Sail needles. 1838. Old work

$1 37) per 100. 1838. Tablino

$1 50 1833.

$1 75

No sales of any quan1838.

$1 50 1838.

$3 OU

tity made by us. 1838. Marline

$3 to $4 February Deep-sea line

28 to 30 20 per pound February Black varnish


No wholesale salos. February Bright varnish


20 September Tar


$2 50 March Pitch

$1 624

$1 37 March Tar, bright

$2 50

$2 25 March Tar, black

$2 25

$200 February Sewing twine


30 February Whipping twine


28 February Gr'd pai't brushes 0000

$8 50 per dozen No wholesale sales. February Cotion wick

No wholesale salon) February Chrome yellow


32 June Sheet lead


061 September Tallow


ilt 1839. January Varnish


22 January White lead

$2 474

No wholesale sales. January Sewing twine


Head rope
Store rope
Bolt rope



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Invoice cost.

Prices at which

the sales were made.

$2 25

32 $2 123


22 $1 87)


14 per lb. 105

7 30 42

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32 $1 75 $2 25




$2 00 $2 75


$1 75


January Pine wood
January Sail needles
January Palm irons

Bright varnish
February Pitch
February Green paint

January Tallow
November Tallow
April Zipc or spelter
April Bright varnish
April Sewing twine
April Sheet lead
April Spirits turpentine
March Tar -
March White lead
March Litharge
October Block tin
October Sail needles
1841. Tur

Green paint
Black paint
Zinc, sheet
Suap -
Mounted palms
Sewing twine
Cotton duck, No. 1

No. 2
No. 3
No. 4
No. 5
No. 6
No. 7
No. 8
No. 9

No. 10
Spirits turpentine
Spirits turpentine
Pig lead
Sheet lead
Cotton wick
White lead

103 $1 50

06 $2 50

$1 50

15 $1 75

09 $1 25

05 $2 00


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Explanatory remarke.

$2 50, $2 75 per cord.
As beforo.
No wholesale sales.

No wholesale sales.

As before-1837.

No wholesale sales.

Factory prices at Nor

folk, on rime.

No wbolesale males.

20 $2 25


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