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in the matter. But this interest in dis- as to what he contemplated doing. And, understand how I and other members cussion is such, Mr. President, that there by the same token, I have tried to notify of the committee felt, because we were are about 25 Senators absent today, and, him, as I would any other Member on not consulted with respect to this major may I say with regret, the great prepon- any particular legislation, and as the move, which was made by the combined derance are on this side of the aisle. The leadership has tried to do at all times. leadership of the Senate. leadership had to take into consideration I wish to make it perfectly clear that, The able Senator says that he has evthat this bill is already months overdue regardless of any title we may hold, by ery right that every other Senator has. and that further delays promise only in- sufferance, we are still Senators from a In that statement I concur. I accord creasing administrative chaos and waste State, we are still Senators of the United him every right. He is also the majority in the program. It had to consider that States, and we have at least as many leader; and

and the distinguished junior other pieces of highly significant legisla- rights as any other Members of this Senator from Illinois [Mr. DIRKSEN] the tion are approaching the floor as days go body.

minority leader. by without action on this measure.

Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. President, I sug- If we follow the lines of traditional I refer to civil rights, tax proposals, gest the absence of a quorum

procedure in the Senate by according to health care for the aged, and appropria

Mr. GORE. Mr. President, will the committees the opportunity to exercise tion bills for the next fiscal year, which Senator withhold that suggestion? the responsibility which the Senate has will begin coming before the Congress Mr. DIRKSEN. I prefer to have a delegated to them, all of us will be better shortly. quorum.

off, and our parliamentary procedure It had to consider, in short, what in

Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, will operate more smoothly. its best judgment would move the legiswill the Senator withhold it?

Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, will lative wheels and bring this matter to

Mr. DIRKSEN. I withhold it.

the Senator yield?

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Will some resolution.

Mr. GORE. I yield. the Senator yield? These were the factors, Mr. President,

Mr. MANSFIELD. I assure my dis

Mr. DIRKSEN. No; I withdraw the tinguished colleague the senior Senator which influenced the majority leader

request. the Senator from Montana, if you will

from Tennesse that, so far as he was to consult with the minority leader and marks of the distinguished majority personal in what he said.

Mr. GORE. Mr. President, the re

concerned, I knew there was nothing then with the ranking members on both leader were the first notice I had had far as the record shows, it would appear

However, so sides of the Committee on Foreign Re- that he entertained some personal relations. These men, of course, did not sentment at the remarks which the sen

that the charge of being cavalier and, in agree with every detail of what was pro

a certain sense, not quite fair, had been ior Senator from Tennessee made yes

directed against the mover of the posed as a solution to the difficulty

terday. which confronts the Senate. The Sena

amendment. I know the Senator will

I regret that he so interpreted my believe me when I state that I did not tor from Arkansas [Mr. FULBRIGHT) and remarks. I tried to make it perfectly discuss this reduction with the adminisothers had reservations about the depth clear-indeed, I repeated the senti

I repeated the senti- tration in any way, shape, or form. I and form of the cut which is proposed. ment—that I directed no personal crit- looked into this subject on my own auBut, these men are all reasonable men icism at any Member of the Senate. I thority as an individual Senator, I bewith a full recognition that this body expressed the view, which I reiterate, lieve I have a right to exercise independoperates not at all unless it operates on

that the Foreign Relations Committee, ent judgment, as the occasion demands. the basis of mutual restraint and mutual which had spent months in consideration I have done so in the past, I did so yesaccommodation. And so, Mr. President, of the bill, might properly have been terday, and I will continue to do so in we agreed as a group of Senators on how consulted before this major—and, to me, this problem, in our best common judg- entirely surprising-amendment was of

the future.

There is a line of demarcation between ment, might possibly be resolved. That fered.

the various positions which a Senator is the entire story. I then introduced

Had the administration and the “lead- may hold. So far as I am concerned, yesterday, on behalf of the six of us, an

ership"—to use the word of the distin- I am, first, a Senator from the State of amendment to the bill. We acted as guished senior Senator from Montanaany Member or Members of this body are reached the conclusion that the bill that fact. So far as the position of ma

Montana, and I have never lost sight of free to act at all times, and have acted needed further modification, the Com- jority leader is concerned—and I say in connection with this measure at least mittee on Foreign Relations could have again that I hold it by sufferance of the 40 times.

been consulted and requested to recon- Senate—that is not a subtraction from And for this, Mr. President, for doing sider the bill and submit its recommenno more and considerably less than dation to the Senate.

my duties, but an addition to them,

instead. many other Members have done, we are

I had hoped—and I shall hope in the Therefore, I wish to repeat to my disaccused of all sorts of heinous crimes, of future—that a legislative committee in tinguished friend—and he is my friend, cavalier behavior, of disrespect for the the Senate would be accorded this cour- and has been for more than 20 years in committee. I must say, Mr. President, tesy, particularly in view of the respon- both Houses of Congress—that I did that I resent most deeply these accusa- sibility which the Senate has placed upon what I did without any reference whattions and inferences. The leadership is its respective committees.

ever to the administration. I had no doing its best, as every other Member of

I say to my distinguished friend from consultation with them as to what I prothis body is doing. It is doing its best Montana, with whom I have had the posed to do. On the basis of talking with to bring about a resolution of this issue honor and pleasure of serving in both other Senators, I reached the conclusion so that the Senate can get on to other Houses of Congress, that I intended no that something had to be done. What business. To suggest that this is cavalier personal offense. I was sitting in my I did was, in my best judgment, what I or highhanded is to seek to deny to the seat on the Senate floor, having sup- thought should be done. leadership the rights of every other ported the reporting of the bill, and was I asked other Senators, as a matter of Member of this body. Neither the mi- taken completely by surprise by this ma- courtesy, to discuss this subject with me. nority leader nor the majority leader has jor reducing amendment. It may be They did so. There were differences of any inclination in this role to assert that the bill should be reduced this much. opinion, but in the end we arrived at a superiority over any other Member, but It may be that it should be reduced fur- figure and a disposition which we I wish to make clear that in accepting ther. Indeed, it was with great reluc- thought would best serve the interests of this role of leadership, we did not aban- tance that I consented to support the the Senate as a whole. We may be right, don our equal rights as Senators with reporting of the bill. Only the day be- or we may be wrong. However, the ofevery other Member.

fore yesterday, Secretary

Secretary Harriman fering of other amendments is not preI appreciate, by and large, the cour- called me, speaking, as he said, for the cluded. The record should be made tesy which has been extended to me by President of the United States, urging clear that I am delighted that we have Senators on both sides of the aisle. me to support the bill as it was before had an opportunity to have this ex

The distinguished senior Senator from the Senate. I told him that I had sup- change of views, so that we may better Oregon (Mr. MORSE] has been most ported its reporting.

understand the situation. courteous and considerate, and has noti- I hope the distinguished Senator from I repeat that I did not consult anyone fied me ahead of time on all occasions Montana, the majority leader, will in the administration in any way, shape, or form so far as the amendment is con- ships that have existed between us in the Mr. MORSE. I yield. cerned; and I accept full responsibility handling of the parliamentary matters Mr. CURTIS. Would the Senator for it.

involved in the debate. Those relation- mind telling the Senate what amendMr. GORE, Mr. President, as upon ships will continue. I shall always notify ments would be foreclosed from being every other occasion, I accept fully and the majority leader of any parliamentary offered if the amendment he refers to as give the fullest possible credence to what move I intend to make in opposition to a powerhouse amendment were adopted? ever statement the distinguished senior the bill—and there will probably be Mr. MORSE. As I am advised by the Senator from Montana makes.

many before we are through with it. Parliamentarian, we would have to proLet me once again express regret that

I publicly express my appreciation to ceed to amend the Mansfield amendment he felt personal resentment with respect him, as I have in private, for the un- in figure amounts in connection with ecoto my remarks. It is my way of speak- failing courtesy and kindness he has ex- nomic aid and military aid. If we want ing to say what I mean in rather precise tended to me at all times. Certainly less, we had better offer amendments to language. I respectfully suggest that if there is nothing in my mind that is sub- the Mansfield amendment itself. The the Foreign Relations Committee had ject to the slightest implication that I Mansfield amendment is really an been called into consultation, this pro- would deny to him, because he is the amendment to the amendment in the posal might very well have had the en- majority leader, his right as a Senator nature of a substitute for the bill before dorsement of the full committee.

from Montana to offer any amendment the Senate. If the situation which persuaded the he wishes to offer at any time. Not only That situation could very well raise distinguished authors of the amendment has he that right; he has the duty to serious parliamentary questions as to had been laid before the committee, offer an amendment as a Senator. He whether some of the proposed amendthe committee might have been per- has a right to offer this amendment. ments in money amounts would be out suaded. My feeling was that the com

But this amendment is not merely an of order if the Mansfield amendment mittee which had the responsibility of amendment. It involves some important were adopted and became a part of the considering this highly important ques- parliamenatry and policy matters of the

bill. tion and making recommendations to the Senate, because while it is offered, it is

We think that these questions ought Senate should have been consulted be true, by the Senator from Montana, he

to be discussed in the Committee on fore the attempt to make a major altera is, nevertheless, the majority leader. Foreign Relations. We think the comtion in the bill was made by the com- The amendment is cosponsored by the

mittee ought to discuss them and obbined leadership.

distinguished junior Senator from Illi- tain a parliamentary ruling on them. Therefore, I am pleased to close the in- nois [Mr. DIRKSEN), the minority leader.

We should discuss what the effects of cident on this happy note of renewal of It is cosponsored by the distinguished

the Mansfield amendment woud be on confidence and expression of my esteem senior Senator from Iowa [Mr. HICKEN

the parliamentary procedures to be folfor my friend the distinguished Senator LOOPER), the ranking Republican mem

lowed in amending the bill. from Montana. ber of the Committee on Foreign Rela

Mr. CURTIS. Is it the Senator's Mr. MANSFIELD. There was noth- tions and chairman of the Republican

opinion that if the so-called powerhouse ing personal in my remarks. I did not policy committee. The amendment is

amendment were adopted without judge the remarks of the Senator from cosponsored by the distinguished junior change, there could be no further Tennessee to be personal. However, I Senator from Alabama (Mr. SPARKMAN),

amendment changing the figures? felt that the record should be made clear the ranking Democrat on the Committee

Mr. MORSE. I think amendments Mr. GORE. I thank the Senator. on Foreign Relations, next to the dis

could be offered which would affect the I conclude by saying once again that tinguished junior Senator from Arkansas

figures for specific countries and that I had not intended to support the mo- [Mr. FULBRIGHT], the able chairman of

those amendments would be in order. tion to recommit. However, if the com- the Committee on Foreign Relations,

If we adopt the Mansfield amendment, bined leadership of the Senate believes who is also a cosponsor of the amend

so far as its being a general amendment that the bill needs such major alteration ment. The amendment is also CO

concerning money amounts, we have as is now proposed, it is the responsibil- sponsored by the distinguished senior

“fixed” it. That does not mean that ity of the Committee on Foreign Rela. Senator from Vermont [Mr. AIKEN], a

when we finished with the total amendtions to consider it and to make its rec- Republican member of the Committee on

ment, if the total were less than the ommendations. Foreign Relations and really the dean of

Mansfied amendment, such amendments It is my view that the wisest course the Republican side of the aisle.

would not be in order. That is my unat this time is to recommit the bill to What is before the Senate is really a

derstanding of the advice we have rethe committee, and let the committee powerhouse amendment that would have

ceived, although we have not had time to consider all the amendments offered. I great effect in connection with the par

consider it in detail. It is our underhope the motion to recommit would con- liamentary policy that is to be followed

standing that such amendments would

still be in order. The Mansfield amendtain instructions to report back within from now on in connection with the bill. a reasonable time. If so, I should be glad We have checked—we will not talk about

ment would not in any way prevent the to support the amendment.

offering of other amendments that dealt it now, but we will later, when we begin Mr. MORSE. Mr. President, will the to discuss the amendment-we have

with basic policy questions, amendments Senator yield?

such as the Gruening-Javits nonaggreschecked the parlimentary situation that is created by the amendment. The

sion amendment, such as my junta Mr. GORE. I yield.

amendment, and such as amendments Mr. MORSE. The motion provides amendment would have great parliamen

that seek to impose some restrictions on that the committee shall report back on tary effect on the future course of the

the use of military aid in Latin America or before November 8. So the commit- bill. The amendment, if adopted, would

and elsewhere. Such amendments would tee could report the bill back tomorrow, have an effect on the standing of future

still be in order. if it decided to do so, or it could report amendments. That does not mean we

But I am doubtful as to whether or it back by November 8. would not be able to offer other amend

not we would not be somewhat restricted Mr. President, will the Senator from ments; but it means, as I have been ad

in our parliamentary maneuverability Tennessee yield for a parliamentary in- vised by the Parliamentarian, that we

on the opposition side if the Mansfield quiry and a brief comment? would not be able to offer some amend

amendment were adopted post hasteMr. GORE. I yield. ments.

although it will not be adopted post Mr. MORSE. First, while a large

So what is before the Senate, in my

haste. We shall have to see to it that number of Senators are in the Chamber, opinion, is a powerhouse amendment

it is not adopted post haste, in order to I should like to ask for the yeas and nays that seeks to exercise great effect not

protect our parliamentary rights. on my motion to recommit.

only on the substance of the bill, but Mr. CURTIS. Would it be correct to The yeas and nays were ordered. great effect on the parliamentary pro- say that if the amendment were adopted

Mr. MORSE. Mr. President, I wish to cedure that would be available to Sena- without change, there would be no opmake these comments about the state- tors who are opposed to the bill.

portunity to offer amendments changing ment of the majority leader: What he Mr. CURTIS. Mr. President, will the the overall amount set forth in the says is true with regard to the relation Senator from Oregon yield?


Mr. MORSE. Let us raise that as a procedure, without having such expres- chairman of the minority policy comparliamentary question.

sion of view resented. I am sorry that mittee. Of course, he forgot to put in Mr. GORE. Mr. President, I yield for it was. I am happy to accept the state- that I am also a member of the Amera parliamentary inquiry. ment of the distinguished majority ican Legion

Legion and the Presbyterian Mr. RUSSELL. Mr. President, who leader.

Church. So if he wishes to identify the has the floor?

I respectfully suggest that perhaps we amendment as a “powerhouse" amendMr. GORE. I have the floor, and I can profit from this occurrence; perhaps ment, he can merely look at the Conhave yielded for a parliamentary in- we can once again reflect upon the wis- gressional Directory, because I am not quiry.

dom of the committee system of this one of those timid and shy people who Mr. RUSSELL. If this amendment body. It has served the Senate well. does not put all of his persuasions into were agreed to, any amendment affect- In view of all that has transpired, and his congressional biography. ing the foreign aid program's main items, in view of the fact that the contingency But I am concerned about the bill. I such as the Alliance for Progress total, fund is proposed to be increased by $125 earnestly hope that it will not go back the loan total, and the military assist- million, without any justification there- to the committee. ance program would be buttoned up; no for having been given to the Senate, and The point was made that so many further amendment would be in order. also in view of the parliamentary ruling amendments have been submitted, there Senators would be precluded from offer- which has been made, I am led to con- ought to be a further look-see by the ing any amendments that would change clude that the part of wisdom now is to committee, although the bill has been the amounts involved in the main items recommit the bill with an instruction before the committee since the middle of authorization.

that it be reported within a very brief, of June. If we are going to apply that Mr. MORSE. That is my view. That but reasonable, time.

reasoning as a precedent and every time is the point on which I think the Sena- Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. President, I sug- 4112 amendments are pending in the tor from Nebraska is seeking informa- gest the absence of a quorum.

Senate, that automatically argues that tion.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The a bill must go back to the committee, Mr. GORE. Mr. President, I have clerk will call the roll.

we shall be in a fix from now on, because yielded for the submission of a parlia- The legislative clerk proceeded to call I apprehend there will be other billsmentary inquiry. Would the Senator the roll.

and very notably the implementing apwish to clarify this question by stating Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. President, I ask propriation bill to go with the authorizaa parliamentary inquiry?

unanimous consent that the order for tion bill—that will have its full share of Mr. FULBRIGHT. Would the Sena- the quorum call be rescinded.

amendments. tor include whether this amendment is The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. By what sophism can it be argued and subject to amendment? There is noth- BREWSTER in the chair). Without objec- justified that a bill should be recoming to restrict the Senator from Oregon tion, it is so ordered.

mitted to a committee because a sheaf from offering an amendment.

Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. President, I ask of amendments is lying on the desk for Mr. MORSE. I said that. for recognition.

consideration in this body? There is no Mr. FULBRIGHT. That was not clear The PRESIDING OFFICER. The logic to that argument. If we were to from the Senator's statement.

Senator from Illinois is recognized. follow that reasoning, then I say, “Look Mr. MORSE. The Senator from Mr. DIRKSEN. I was looking for my out for the future, because the motion to Georgia said that once the Mansfield very distinguished friend from Oregon, recommit will become a very common amendment were adopted, it would be because I always like to have his com- motion indeed based upon a volume of buttoned up.

forting presence when I talk about him. amendments that spring from the feMr. FULBRIGHT. But there is noth. But since the time is running.

cund brains of Senators who are intering to prevent any Senator—the Senator Mr. PASTORE. Mr. President, will ested.” That justification falls by its from Nebraska [Mr. CURTIS] or any the Senator yield?

own illogic. other Senator-from offering an amend- Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield.

The proposal to send the bill back ment to this amendment to change the Mr. PASTORE. I would be happy to to the committee until the 8th of Noamount.

ask unanimous consent that one of the vember is futile. There have been 18 Mr. MORSE. We have admitted that. pages locate the Senator from Oregon markup sessions on the bill. If Senators Mr. GORE. Mr. President, I have and invite him to come into the Cham- desire to send the bill back to the comyielded for a parliamentary inquiry. ber and accept the invitation of the mittee, what do they wish the rest of Mr. CURTIS. I thank the Senator Senator from Illinois.

the Senators to think about what has from Tennessee. I am not sure that I Mr. DIRKSEN. I cannot quite be a been done by the members of that comcan recite all the conditions.

monitor for all Senators, and particu- mittee? The distinguished Senator Mr. President, a parliamentary in- larly the great appeal in reading the from Oregon is No. 4 in the majority quiry. news dispatches from Vietnam. But we

list. Do Senators wish us to think that The PRESIDING OFFICER. . The have some business on the floor of the the work was not done? Senator from Nebraska will state it. Senate and we must get about it.

The bill has been in the committee Mr. CURTIS. If the Senate adopts Mr. President, I listened intently to since June. The first markup came in the amendment referred to by the dis- the distinguished Senator from Oregon. middle July. There have been 18 marktinguished Senator from Oregon as the Frankly, when he suffers great agony up sessions. If that is not enough to powerhouse amendment, and its adop- and pain as a result of the challenges mark up a bill, I give up. With all the tion is without change, would an amend that confront him in the bill, I suffer abstruse and difficult things that we have ment then be in order to change the right along with him. I catch those had in the Judiciary Committee, we can total figures in the bill?

reflexes of agony, and as he puts it into do a little better than that, I believe. The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. a lyrical panegyric, it hurts me even So the Senator from Oregon comes in RIBICOFF in the chair). Should the more. So I should like to have him about poor grace to suggest that the bill go Senate adopt the Mansfield amendment, as I discuss the motion to send the bill back to the committee because of his it being an amendment in the first de- back to committee.

personal frustration; he does not like gree, it would freeze any further action First, the amendment is called a it and he wishes a second whack at it. on the amounts agreed to in the Mans- "powerhouse” amendment. I have never What did he do the 18 other times? field amendment, but it would not fore- heard that expression attached to an Was he there? I do not know, and I close any other amendment of any figure amendment before. The Senator pro- am not going to run the record to see. not listed in the Mansfield amendment. ceeds to give it that character because But I say that from the middle of July

Mr. MORSE. That is what I said. of its sponsor and cosponsors, including until the 1st of November is long enough. We would have to proceed country by the two leaders, the chairman and rank- I discovered that we cannot push Jancountry and item by item.

ing member, and the next ranking mem- uary 3 into the future. At midnight on Mr. GORE. Mr. President, upon care- ber on each side of the Foreign Relations January 2, unless we push that clock ful consideration, it seems to me that Committee. I think he even noted the back, the 1st session of the 88th Conany Senator ought to be free to express fact that the distinguished Senator from gress will end. By order, we can change his view with respect to a parliamentary Iowa [Mr. HICKENLOOPER] was also the convening of the second session. We

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can make it the 9th, the 10th, or the 20th, from the committee. They will be con- Mr. PASTORE. Mr. President, will because the Constitution provides-un- sidered. I have one in the pile, and I the Senator yield? less Congress otherwise orders.

am going to offer it, I do not care what Mr. DIRKSEN. I am glad to yield. We can do it. But the present session happens in the committee. It will be Mr. PASTORE. Does the Senator comes to an end at midnight on the 2d heard, and I shall discuss it, notwith- know whether there is any parliamenof January. We can push the clock back standing. I believe the committee tary prohibition against trying to amend for a while I have seen it done since I turned it down, but I do not "turn down” the Mansfield amendment? have been a Member of this body—but very easily, Mr. President, and so I shall Mr. DIRKSEN. No; I shall get to the business of the country has got to be offer it.

that, let me say to the Senator from settled.

But looking at the attendance problem, Rhode Island.

Rhode Island. I wish to be sure that The third point I make is that there the Senate Finance Committee-as you, that is specifically understood, to show must be a bill. The agency has 67,000 Mr. President (Mr. RIBICOFF in the that we did not deal cavalierly with anypeople on its payroll, 27,000 of whom are chair), a distinguished member, know one. I do not believe I am a "class B" natives, and 40,000 are aliens. But that so well-meets every morning except

so well-meets every morning except Senator yet, unless there is something money looks as good to an alien as it does Saturday, wrestling with a monumental on the books which I have not seen. By to a native Yankee. Senators ought to tax bill. There are more than 160 reg- your grace and sufferance you have perknow.

istered witnesses, and still more to fol- mitted me to be your floor spokesman. What are we going to do with that low. Obviously, since that matter is of

that low. Obviously, since that matter is of But that did not divest me of my charagency? Will we set up a caretaker so much moment to the country, the acter and my perquisites, and my auagency? What would we substitute for members want to be present in the thority under the rule book and under it if the bill is not passed? Do Sena- Finance Committee. But they cannot be the Constitution. I am just as free to tors think that we would be helping the there.

offer an amendment as anyone. I am cause by sending the bill back to the The distinguished Senator from Ten- just as free to join with the majority Committee on Foreign Relations with- nessee [Mr. GORE), who is one of the leader in offering an amendment as anyout instructions, which is what the mo- most diligent members of that commit- one. I did not know about the meeting tion provides?

tee, and one of the most articulate, and in the office of the majority leader yesMr. Chairman, I can imagine what the one of the smartest, has been on hand

one of the smartest, has been on hand terday, until 10:30. My secretary told first committee meeting will be like, as- all the time. I sit there and just glory

all the time. I sit there and just glory me, "The majority leader would like to suming that a quorum is present the first in his interrogations, because he does see you in his office.” He is always so time around. I shall have something to them so candidly and so well. I love to gracious about it, and when I arrived say on that subject, too. The chairman see the witnesses squirm when the dis- there the distinguished Senators from of the committee might say, "Members tinguished Senator from Tennessee Vermont and Arkansas were there with of the committee, we are here on orders pushes the etymological needle into them the majority leader. The Senator from of the Senate to reconsider the bill. in such a deft and agile way.

Iowa came later, and then I arrived and What is your pleasure?” That is all the Where will one get the members to we had a general discussion. I made chairman woud have to say,

consider the bill if it is reported back to the suggestion that I thought we should Then the business would begin. The the committee?

the committee? So, attendance is quite get that very brilliant intellect, over on committee would be presented with the another problem. But the amendments the Appropriations Committee, TOM 42 amendments that are at the desk. will still be here.

SCOTT, to come over and sit with us in The committee would probably see We are operating as we do because the the afternoon because those are the peoamendments that at the moment are author of the motion to commit the bill

author of the motion to commit the bill ple who serve so well and who know so merely a gleam in the eye of the Senator told the Senate yesterday afternoon, and much about this Government. We had from Oregon. There will probably be told the majority leader as pointedly as a second conference. The Senator from more before he gets through. Then the he could, that there would be no unani- Arkansas objected in part to the first argument would begin.

mous-consent request honored, that suggestion I made, where I thought it The committee would meet until noon. there would be no expedition. He is the

there would be no expedition. He is the should be cut. He said, “I cannot go Some Senator would come into the author of the idea that this bill will along with you." Chamber and say, “We ask that the com- not get through this Senate very soon, I do not believe the Senator from Iowa, mittee be authorized to meet notwith- if he can help it. Well then, he can our ranking member, concurred with me, standing the sessions of the Senate.” stew in his own juice, but let us not

stew in his own juice, but let us not but by dint of discussion, we finally oriThe Senator from Illinois will say, "No." stew with him to the point of futility,

stew with him to the point of futility, ented and fixed those items in the bill I made that statement to the Finance because that is precisely what it will where we thought cuts could be made, Committee. I felt that we could not amount to. No instructions as it goes and then one substantive proposal to meet over there and be here, too, and back. Then we wait until the 8th of

Then we wait until the 8th of require feasibility evaluation by the Army discharge our responsibilities on the November, and when the bill is reported engineers. That was my own little, feefloor of the Senate. I give my word, and the bells ring and the Members call ble product along with all else. It was Mr. President, if that happens, I shall the cloakroom and ask, “What is the

the cloakroom and ask, "What is the modified a good many times, and I beobject, because there is business to be order of business?” it will be the for- lieve what was done can stand up. When transacted. The clock on the calendar eign assistance bill. And by then there

eign assistance bill. And by then there somebody talks about the military cut, of this session of the Senate is beginning will not be 38 amendments, not 42

the Defense Establishment gets money to run out.

amendments, but 50 amendments. Do from the Congress easier than any other No. 5, I said I would say something you believe you will have saved any- agency in the Government. They can about attendance. There are five mem- thing? You will have added only to the come asking for a deficiency, they can bers on the committee who are also time, you will have added only to the ask for a supplemental, they can ask for members of the Senate Finance Com- agony.

a regular appropriation; and invariably, mittee.

Mr. President, what gives me great if it is reasonably justified, they can get Mr. FULBRIGHT. Six, I believe. personal pain is that the distinguished it and they can get it quickly.

One contention I made about the conMr. DIRKSEN. Five or six. One Senator from Oregon will go down this member, distressingly enough, either is strange trail, and on every tortuous foot

strange trail, and on every tortuous foot tingency fund, I said, "That is the last in the hospital at the present time or is of it, I have to bleed with him. That one I should like to see cut.” I went convalescing at home. It will be six or bothers me no end. I have compassion through that agony with President seven. The Senator will be lucky to for that soul-searching pain that is his,

for that soul-searching pain that is his, Eisenhower a good many times, but the start with a quorum from the day he re- over the fact that there is a powerhouse

over the fact that there is a powerhouse headlines, and the ticker tape, out there ceives instructions to take the bill into amendment that he characterized as an

and the telecasts certainly support my “Abraham's bosom" all over again and “end run" around the committee.

contention that we cannot tell when the wrestle with it. How far does the Sen- The members of the committee as in- firmament of the world will be alight ator believe he will get with it?

dividuals, could well appraise, by looking with revolt and fever and bloodshed, so All the while those amendments will at the amendment pile and its diversity we cannot tie the hands of the Combe right there. They do not require even of subject matter, as to what was going mander in Chief. mothballs to retain their status. They to happen and how long it will be on the Mr. PASTORE. Mr. President. will will be there when the bill is reported floor.

the Senator yield on that point?

Mr. DIRKSEN. I am glad to yield. bring it in line with the House fgure. a list. I got up the other morning at

Mr. PASTORE. The very distin- That makes a reduction of $300 million. 2 o'clock. Counting sheep did not do, so guished Secretary of State told me one Does a Senator want to change it? I began counting amendments. day, "You can afford to cut the foreign Ask the Parliamentarian now whether The Senator from Oregon rewrites the aid bill in two if you will only make the he cannot get up and be permitted to whole bill. What a time I had with his contingency fund larger, because you are offer an amendment to make a cut of substitute. Then there is a money committing the money under circum- $100 million, or $200 million, or the com- amendment and the country-by-country stances that do not prevail at the time mittee figure can be increased by adding amendment and the United Nations when a crisis arises. If the President, $500 million. A Senator can maul it amendment and the self-help amendwho is charged under the Constitution and maim it to his heart's content under ment. I cannot read my own writing. of the United States with the foreign the rules, because the committee amend- Then there is the “hunta” amendment. policy of this land, had the authority ment is a complete substitute for the We ought to call those “juntas.” They to step in at the appropriate time and House bill. That gives it the status of “junta” people out of the country. operate expeditiously without having his original text when this amendment is There is an amendment for military hands tied as the Congress has done from pending, and it will be after the motion assistance to Latin America, college contime to time, you could start tomorrow to recommit is disposed of.

tracts, import duties, aggression, to cut the foreign aid bill right in two."

Senators can offer amendments from There they are. What a time memMr. DIRKSEN. Well, I say to the now until the 20th of December, but not bers of the committee will have. I will distinguished Senator from Rhode Is- beyond, I admonish Senators, because see you Christmas. land, I remember when President Eisen- that is when our Christmas recess begins. What a mistake to send the bill back hower sent the Marines to Lebanon. I I So do not go beyond that date. But to the committee.

to the committee. It is in this Chamber remember Matsu and Quemoy. We can- Senators can offer amendments to that it must be disposed of, and with a not tie the hands of our Commander in change the figure before that committee reasonable approach, and a decent limChief when we do not know what is go- amendment is finally agreed to. So itation of amendments, without a Meming to happen overnight. So we came to Senators have not lost any rights. No ber feeling that all wisdom resposes in a pretty fair conclusion.

one has lost any flexibility. There has him. Now, because six Senators' names are been no impairment of the rule. Conse- We can make progress and get this bill on this amendment, it is said it is the quently, a Senator is as free as a bird to out of here, into conference, secure in powerhouse amendment. Perhaps some maim and maul this bill, amendment- the feeling, finally, that when one is day we will get it in the Standing Rules wise, including powerhouse amend- around the Christmas tree on the mornof the Senate, and rule 99 may read, ments.

ing of December 25, in red flannel pa“There can"-or cannot "be power

Write that in the book. It makes me jamas, with his grandchildren, he does house amendments, and there cannot be feel kind of proud that at long last not have the weary, aching thought, powerhouses unless they have the names

someone recognized my talent that, in "Tomorrow I've got to go back. We did of the leaders on them and the names

a feeble way, I could share, in the his- not finish foreign aid.” of the ranking minority members and tory of this establishment, as Brother Things are crowding. Do not send it the names of chairmen of committees,"

Clark would

a powerhouse. back. This is where the business has to

be done.
and we will spell it all out. If it requires [Laughter.]
any other attribute, they can be put in

But we want to get it as clear as crystal No matter what the commitee does, the the rule. "I am a member of the Ameri- that no Senator has given up anything, bill must come back to the Senate. Then can Legion, the Veterans of Foreign notwithstanding the very agile argument it will be susceptible to every standing Wars, the Elks Lodge, the Presbyterian of our distinguished friend from Ore- rule and every amendatory process.

gon. And while he was in the very laby- Then we will go through this business Church”—and what a wonderful rule we gon. And while he was in the

very labywill have.

rinth of this amazing argument, I was all over again. I have in my hand amendment No. bleeding with him every minute; I was No; this is not the first time I have 232. Look at the list of the distin- suffering with him the deep reflexes of seen this done. Therefore, let us apguished Senators who offered it: the his soulful pain. I hope it fell on sterile

his soulful pain. I hope it fell on sterile proach our responsibility and fight it distinguished Senator from Alaska (Mr.

ears. There was no substance to it. through. Let us write the score on the GRUENING), the distinguished Senator

Let me say to my distinguished col- scoreboard when the roll is called on the from Wyoming (Mr. SIMPSON), the dis- league what an astounding thing it is motion to recommit without any intinguished Senator from North Carolina to go from a larger forum to a smaller structions so that the orbit could be the [Mr. ERVIN], the distinguished Senator

forum of 15. That is the number on the limit. I say keep it here. In that way

committee, is it not? from Utah [Mr. Moss), the distinguished

we will make the necessary progress and Senator from Nevada (Mr. CANNON],

Mr. FULBRIGHT. Seventeen.

we will not finally have to have the boys the distinguished Senator from Colo

Mr. DIRKSEN. Seventeen. There has up there at the clock and at the other rado [Mr. DOMINICK), the distinguished been a gain since I last looked into it. clock turn the hands back at midnight Senator from Oregon [Mr. MORSE), the

The whole desire, in the field of legis- on the 2d of January; because there is distinguished Senator from Texas, the lation, is to get a bill out of the com- a whole cave full of unfinished business. largest unfrozen State in the Union mittee, to get it here before this august Let us vote down the motion to recommit [Mr. YARBOROUGH], the distinguished body of 100 Members; but you see, Mr. and get on with the people's business in Senator from Nevada (Mr. BIBLE), and President, our friend from Oregon takes the Senate. Not a single right that the

Senator from Oregon has is foreclosed. the distinguished Senator from Florida an inverse look. He does not want to go from a lower to a higher body, where He can offer amendments by the stack.

If he wants no time limit, we can have If the powerhouse from Oregon-and I the ultimate disposal rests. He wants to

that too. He can bring up every argusay that with kindly affection is a go from the higher to the lower body, to member, we can put him down for 2, and wrestle without a single instruction from ment he wishes, but let us have final disthat will make 11. Yet there are only the Senate.

position of it here. six on this amendment.

So when the distinguished chairman The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. RIBII did not know that when I went on ure?” That is when the fun begins.

says, “Gentlemen, what is your pleas- COFF in the chair). The question is on an amendment with the distinguished And who shall say what will come back

That is when the fun begins. agreeing to the motion of the Senator

And who shall say what will come back from Oregon [Mr. MORSE) to recommit majority leader, plus one chairman, a out of the room downstairs, or in the the bill to the Committee on Foreign ranking member, and perhaps other new Senate Office Building where they Relations. The yeas and nays have Senators, suddenly we gave that amend- meet? They will be wrestling with been ordered, and the clerk will call the ment special status and made it a power- quotas, import duties, the matter of no roll. house amendment. What an amazing aid to members of the United Nations The legislative clerk proceeded to call thing and what logic.

unless they pay up their arrears, inter- the roll. Let us nail this down so there can be est rates—somebody will have amend- Mr. BYRD of West Virginia. On this no question about it. In this amend- ments on that subject. There is an vote I have a pair with the senior Senament we reduce the committee figure to immigration amendment in there. I had tor from Maryland [Mr. BEALL). If he


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