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capital improvement over its lifetime so that : "Third. The administration relates the "It is true that most of the private corthose who benefit from the facility over this Federal debt to State, local, and private debt porate debt goes for capital investment period of time pay for it.

and points out that these debts have risen against which there are offsetting capital Let me read from a speech I delivered on faster than the Federal debt. Again, what assets. It is true that a good bit of conthe floor of the House on August 5, 1963, at is the year of reference? A peacetime year? sumer debt goes for capital expenditures, the time I was discussing the balance of A year we would choose as our goal for an which remain as a capital asset securing the international payments problems. I went optimum? No, 1946 is again taken as the debt, such as homes and consumer durables. into this problem of the Federal debt from year, the year which reflects the 'high water It is also true that almost all of the local several angles:

mark' of extraordinary Federal deficit financ governmental debt is for capital improve“The Kennedy administration has sought

ing, as the result of World War II; 1946 is ments, roads, schools, sewers, public buildto allay the concern of the people over the also the low water mark' of State and local

ings, and so forth. Indeed, most local debt is rising Federal debt by a series of specious expenditures because of our national desire limited by law to these kinds of capital exarguments.

to divert as much of our resources as pos- penditures. Much of the State debt also "First. The administration hides and dis

sible to the effort of World War II. So in goes for capital improvements. Some State sembles over the increase in the rate of

this instance the selection of the year 1946 constitutions require this of both State and annual debt increases which its fiscal theories as a benchmark is doubly deceptive.

local debt. Indeed, most debt other than have produced and refuses to estimate the

"Parenthetically, I would remark that the

Federal debt is tied to capital improvements further increases in the debt which will reKennedy administration continues to show

and so can be directly related to economic sult from its planned deficits into the future.

an abnormal inability to distinguish between growth and remains a security against the "Second. The administration relates the an economy based upon war and one based

debt. Federal debt as a ratio of gross national produpon peace in this matter as well as in other

"The Federal debt on the other hand, just matters of economic and fiscal policies uct and calls attention to the fact that this

as Federal expenditure, is almost all related which require the use of economic statistics ratio has declined since 1946. Note the year

to other than capital investment. Even toand the understanding of the basic laws of 1946 is selected as the basis for this relation.

day the bulk of the Federal debt is for past economics. Should the ratio of the year 1946 be the goal

and future wars, for military expenditures, of our fiscal debt policy? Certainly no rea

"What are the ratios over a period of time and the $10 billion interest we pay annually sonable man would seriously advance such

of State and local governmental debt to Fed on the debt must be largely charged to milian argument—1946 is the year immediately eral debt?

tary expenditures. Military assets must go following World War II when perforce the

“In 1946 which reflects the war expendi- into any economic accounting books at $1 results of the overwhelming deficit financing

tures the ratio rose to 94.4 percent Federal value. we resorted to in financing this war reached

and declined to 0.8 percent State and 4.8 “The limited areas where the Federal debt their peak. Does the 54-percent ratio of

percent local. In 1960 that ratio had shifted can be said to relate to true capital assets GNP to debt in 1962 compare favorably to

to 80.5 percent Federal, 5.2 percent State, and the areas the Kennedy administration the percentage ratio of GNP to the national

and 14.3 percent local. In 1962 the Federal seeks to enlarge are exactly the areas which debt during other peacetime periods in the

ratio had further declined to 78.7 percent cause the gravest political disputes today of 20th century? It does not. In 1909 the

and State and local totaled 21.3 percent. whether these are constitutional and desirratio was 3.4 percent and this declined to 2.5

"The balance which formally existed be able, let alone efficient functions of the Fedpercent by 1916—a period during which GNP

tween the three tiers of government during eral Government. To wit, grants-in-aid to increased by 44 percent or about 6 percent

the periods when this Nation prospered the States and local governments, the TVA, and a year. This is in relation to an overall

most are far from being reached in this ratio other public power projects, and the various growth rate from 1860 to 1960 of about 2.9

heavily weighted to the Federal Government. other Government corporations, particularly percent. In 1919, after World War I's deficit

In 1902 the ratio was 35.9 percent Federal, 7 lending institutions, like FNMA and CCC financing, the ratio stood at 30 percent.

percent State, and 57.1 percent local. 1922

1922 which would up capital assets. The tradiThis declined to 16 percent by 1929. The

reflected the shift resulting from the mas tional and constitutional public works of ratio increased during the depression of the

sive Federal debt of World War I–69.4 per rivers and harbors and reclamation projects thirties and reached 43 percent in 1940-a

cent Federal, 3.4 percent State, and 27.1 per and the Post Office are about the only undisperiod which incidentally showed a zero in

cent local. In 1927 the ratio had balanced puted capital expenditures the Federal Govcrease in gross national product. This

to 55.4 percent Federal, 5.9 percent State, ernment makes and these make up a very should make people pause to reflect whether

and 38.7 percent local. In 1932, 50.4 per- small part of today's $108 billion budget. debt helps economic growth. In 1946, im

cent Federal, 7.3 percent State, and 42.3 per Be this as it may, the ratio of the Federal mediately after World War II, the ratio was

cent local. The 1930 depression years show debt which has been spent for capital assets 128 percent and it has now declined to 56 a shift to the Federal tier and by 1940 the

is less than 10 percent of the total outstandpercent as of June 1962—debt $298.6 billion,

ratio was 67.9 percent Federal, 5.7 percent ing Federal debt. Ninety percent of the FedGNP $553 billion. State, and 26.4 percent local.

eral budget expenditures are unrelated to "It should be noted that 70 percent of the

“The Federal programs set forth in the capital assets and we have no capital assets decline in the ratio of the debt in the 15

most recent budget of the Kennedy admin to show for them. years from 1946 to 1962 occurred in the first

istration will hamper the shift back to the "Fifth. The Kennedy administration is re5 years after 1946. In 1951 the ratio had ratios of pre-World War II peacetime years. sorting to an argument I thought was disdeclined by 51 percentage points, or 10 points

The balances that existed during the first 140 credited in the 1930's; namely, the size of the a year, to 77 percent. This decline was

years out of our total 170 years social and Federal debt makes no difference because we largely the result of the serious devaluation

economic development seem to be out of owe it to ourselves. This is probably the of the purchasing power of the dollar which

question today. However, if we are to match most specious and dangerous of all arguoccurred during these years. Hardly a course

the growth rate of these 140 years in the ments advanced by the administration to to emulate or to praise. The debt, of course,

ensuing decades, I believe we would be wise justify its extravagance. First, we do not owe remained in the constant dollar figure of

to set our sights in the direction of this it all to ourselves. Foreign holdings amount 1946, while the GNP went up because it was

kind of balance. Certainly setting our sights to $15.3 billion. Second, the $55.6 billion of measured in terms of the inflated dollar.

on the balances of the year 1946 is the height bonds in Government invested accounts are Since the Federal Reserve-Treasury accord of folly.

moneys deposited by civil service employees of 1951 which largely stopped this monetary

“The argument that we need not worry for their retirement-$12 billion; moneys to inflation the ratio has declined only 21 points about the Federal debt today because it is a back up the social security payments $18 in these 11 years from 77 to 56 or 21 points less ratio to the State and local govern- billion, and so forth; and $68.8 billion of a year. Even some of this decline is the mental debt in 1946 is out of context. It is bonds are held by individual and corporate result of further dollar devaluation rather designed to mislead. Sixteen years after the pension funds for the benefit of employees than real economic growth. Since 1960 the war instead of a 78.7-percent Federal ratio for their retirement. Sizable sums are in ratio has dropped less than a whole point which we have in 1962, we should be much sinking funds earmarked by businesses and from 56.8 to 56. If the estimate of GNP for

closer to a 50-percent Federal ratio. The individuals for building homes, factories, 1963 reaches $578 billion the administration

most alarming decline which occurred dur stores, and other plants from whence come anticipates and the debt goes to around $318

ing World War II, of course, is the local the jobs for our people. Many of our people billion as the administration projects, there

government ratio. The State and local debts own U.S. savings bonds. Their savings do not will be only another fraction decline to 55.2 must increase more rapidly than the Fed- belong to their less provident fellow citizens; percent. At this rate it will take 612 years

eral debt, or better still the Federal debt $97.3 billion of bonds are in the commercial to reach a 50-percent figure and another 10

should be declining much more rapidly if and Federal Reserve banking system to back on top of that to even equal the peacetime

we are to get back to the peacetime ratios up the purchasing power of everyone's dollar high mark of 43 percent in 1940. This will

when our Nation had its greatest growth. as well as earmarked for the million and one be the year 1980.

"Fourth. The Kennedy administration different programs the ultimate owners of “Certainly this leaves little resiliency for

seeks to compare the Federal debt to private these assets have in mind.

and State and local government debt in “The most certain way to destroy the entire these 17 years ahead of us in our fiscal pos order to suggest a point which is untrue, base of our society is to destroy the allocature in the event that we should have an that a large part of the Federal debt goes tion of ownership of the debt securities in other major war or depression forced upon for capital investment against which there our society, private and governmental. Cerus.

are marketable and economic capital assets. tainly we can have a complete redistribution

of wealth by Government fiat or a military power they were seeking to enhance.) This While the administration and press have coup based on the economic concept that the is designed to create more money, not from played up the Business Committee's bedebt is owned to ourselves without regard for savings, but from the printing press. So, the lief that a tax cut is desirable now, less the savings and efforts and planning that lies essence of the administration's new theory attention has been paid to the commitinherent in the present allocation of the ownership of the debt. This is what political be done through tax policy, reducing tax tee's belief in firm Federal expenditure scientists refer to as a revolution. Is this revenues, and replacing these lost revenues control. what the Kennedy spokesmen wish to sug with the proceeds derived from the sale of I am happy to see that the cochairgest in behalf of their constituency from Government bonds to the Federal Reserve men, Stuart T. Saunders and Henry whom they seek votes by their profligate System. According to this theory, we come Ford II, have unmistakably linked the spending programs?

out with a balanced budget perhaps in 1972. need for a tax cut with expenditure con"And certainly, the debt can be lowered My concluding remarks are these. You can as a ratio of gross national product as was see from this speech how the use of the tax trol in a statement before the Senate done by the Truman administration by de structure for purposes other than raising Finance Committee on November 4. valuing the dollar-cutting into the pur revenue as efficiently as possible has diverted As Mr. Saunders said in his opening chasing power of the consumers. This re the attention of the tax writer from the de- paragraph, speaking for himself and distributes wealth, mostly from the poorer tails of the tax laws. This can only result in Henry Ford: to the richer, however. This is the process a poorer Federal tax system, not an improved that destroys jobs and economic growth. one.

We are here to support the dual goals of This does not enhance it."

The proper reform is to cut Federal ex

this organization-prompt, across-the-board

tax reduction for individuals and corporaNow, having made these points in August, penditures so they do not exceed the revI find the administration spokesmen still re enues that can be raised from a sound tax tions, and restraint in Federal spending. iterating what they said then. They have structure which does not erode its own base. Mr. Saunders went on to say that in not sought to discuss the economic or any This is the Puritan ethic.

order to obtain the benefits of tax reother aspects of the Federal debt. They

duction: merely fight strawmen of their own creation. The structure of our monetary policy is

Strict control of Federal expenditures and based to some degree upon our Federal debt. Business Committee Has Dual Objectives legislative branches of Government is essen

the serve System, not to have monetary policy of Tax Reduction and Expenditure tial. neutral to make it serve its basic function


He also pointed out that the execuas a weight and measure, a measure to evalu

tive committee of his organization on ate goods, services, labor and savings, but to

May 28 called for a reduction in the encourage economic growth by keeping in


1964 budget and said that it "believes terest rates low. This policy was proving so


that there is no situation foreseeable disasterous that in 1951 the Federal ReserveTreasury accord was reached and this policy HON. THOMAS B. CURTIS

which would necessarily require the 1965 was reversed. This action brought to an end

and 1966 budgets to increase over that

OF MISSOURI the massive devaluation of the dollar we ex

proposed for 1964." perienced from 1946 to 1951.


This precise statement of the BusiNow the President, listening to this same Wednesday, November 13, 1963 ness Committee's policy will, I hope, economic school, would create planned Fed

Mr. CURTIS. eral deficits and make them greater by the

Mr. Speaker, the clear up once and for all the confusion tax cut and have them financed by the Fed- position of the Business Commit that has been created by those who eral Reserve System buying the bonds. (If tee for Tax Reduction in 1963 has been stress the committee's desire for tax the bonds were sold to the private sector, frequently cited by the administration in reduction and largely ignore its position this would take away the total purchasing support of its program to cut taxes. on Federal spending.


sissippi? The Chair hears none, and apHOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

The Journal of the proceedings of yes- points the following conferees: Messrs. THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 1963 terday was read and approved.


The House met at 12 o'clock noon.

The Chaplain, Rev. Bernard Braskamp,
D.D., offered the following prayer:

Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker, I ask APPROPRIATIONS FOR MILITARY unanimous consent that the Committee

CONSTRUCTION, FISCAL YEAR Ephesians 4: 1: I beseech you to walk

1964 worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are night tomorrow night to file a report on

on Appropriations may have until midcalled.

Mr. SIKES. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanthe public works appropriation bill.

imous consent that the Committee on Almighty God, grant that in these

The SPEAKER. Is there objection to Appropriations have until midnight todays of turmoil and confusion, we may the request of the gentleman from Mis- night to file a report on the bill making be inspired with a greater faith in the

souri? power of righteousness and above all with

appropriations for military construction

There was no objection. a greater faith in Thy divine providence.

for the year ending June 30, 1964, and Mr. JENSEN reserved all points of or

for other purposes. We are confident that our beloved der on the bill.

The SPEAKER. Is there objection to country will never go down in defeat or lose its national identity if, as citizens

the request of the gentleman from of this great Republic and as leaders in APPROPRIATIONS, DEPARTMENT OF Florida? the affairs of church and state, we con AGRICULTURE AND RELATED

There was no objection.

Mr. JONAS reserved all points of order tinue to put our trust in Thee.


on the bill. Show us how this dear land of ours may be delivered from those immoralities unanimous consent to take from the

Mr. WHITTEN. Mr. Speaker, I ask and those evils of crime and graft and Speaker's table the bill H.R. 6754, makcorruption which are a blight upon our ing appropriations for the Department

SUBCOMMITTEE ON ELECTIONS, national character and a disgrace to our of Agriculture and related agencies for


TRATION the fiscal year ending June 30, 1964, and Wilt Thou bless our domestic and for- for other purposes, with Senate amend Mr. ALBERT. Mr. Speaker, I ask eign policies and may the spirit of unityments thereto, disagree to the Senate unanimous consent that the Subcommitprevail as we accept the challenge to amendments, and agree to the confer tee on Elections of the Committee on build a world community ruled by the ence asked by the Senate.

House Administration may sit while the Prince of Peace.

The SPEAKER. Is there objection to

Is there objection to House is in session this afternoon durIn His name we pray. Amen.

the request of the gentleman from Mis- ing general debate.

The SPEAKER. Is there objection to nothing, is to ignore the most important vestigation, and if the Justice Departthe request of the gentleman from matter on our agenda. All of our citizens ment stops investigations by grand Oklahoma?

are united in their abiding hope for a juries, the criminals of this country will There was no objection.

world free from the scourge of war and have a field day.
the burdens of armaments.

I have just discussed this very serious
I am aware that there are serious dis- matter with my colleague, the gentle-

agreements on how to proceed, on what man from Alabama (Mr. JONES], and he Mr. RHODES of Pennsylvania. Mr. can be done now, that will not jeopardize concurs in my statement. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to ad our security. The present peacekeeping dress the House for 1 minute, to revise machinery of the United Nations is in

USE OF THE NAVY YACHT and extend my remarks, and to include adequate, and in the face of that inadeextraneous matter. quacy, no nation will feel secure without

The SPEAKER. Is there objection
Is there objection its own arms.

its own arms. It is for this reason that Mr. GROSS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanto the request of the gentleman from I strongly support the resolution spon- imous consent to address the House for Pennsylvania?

sored in the Senate by Senator CLARK 1 minute. There was no objection.

and 17 other Senators, and already intro The SPEAKER. Is there objection Mr. RHODES of Pennsylvania. Mr.

Mr. duced in the House by my good friend, to the request of the gentleman from Speaker, I rise to express commendation the gentleman from California, Con- Iowa? of the Columbia Broadcasting Co. for gressman GEORGE BROWN, and other There was no objection. their great service to our Nation and to Members of this body. This resolution Mr. GROSS. Mr. Speaker, in a letter the cause of commonsense and common recognizes the need for international in- to Defense Secretary McNamara, dated decency which they rendered last night stitutions capable of keeping the peace. October 24, I asked to be provided with in presenting a feature broadcast en- It seems to me that there is nothing to records showing the number of times titled “The Case History of a Rumor." lose and much to be gained, to begin now former Navy Secretary Fred Korth used

It had to do with creating fear and to develop, through the United Nations, the Navy yacht, the Sequoia, to entertain frustration due to a fantastic rumor that some first blueprints of a responsible and his associates from Continental National grew out of plans by the United States powerful peacekeeping machine. It will Bank in Fort Worth and extra good cusfor a military maneuver in Georgia. be a long and arduous task, but begin we tomers of the bank. I also asked for Many were led to fear an invasion by must. As the President has so appro the names of all Continental officials and barefoot African and foreign troops. priately put it, in referring to the tree customers so entertained.

The broadcast portrayed one of the that took 75 years to mature, “Then we It took 3 weeks to receive the following great dangers which confronts the United better plant it this afternoon.”

one-paragraph reply, hand delivered to States today and the growing threat to

my office, signed by David E. McGiffert, representative government. It exposed

assistant to the Secretary: the fanatical hate groups which spread


This is in reply to your letter to Secretary these rumors and believe our Govern


McNamara of October 24, 1963, concerning ment is the enemy of the people and that

Mr. ANDREWS of Alabama. Mr.

the Sequoia. It is my understanding that any legislation to improve the lot of the speaker, I ask unanimous consent to

the Sequoia does not have a log or other average citizen is communistic and will address 'the House for 1 minute.

official records which indicate all the persons lead the Nation to bankruptcy and dis

aboard on any given occasion.

The SPEAKER. Is there objection aster.

to the request of the gentleman from What kind of shoddy business is this I want to include the senior Senator Alabama?

where no records are maintained in the from California in expressing my com

There was no objection.

operations of a naval vessel? mendation. He is not of my party but

Mr. ANDREWS of Alabama. Mr. By what authority are the Navy Sechis service to our country has been tre- speaker, I have always thought that a retary, other high-ranking Government mendous.

good jury was one of the most essen- officials, and their special friends entitled I wish, however, that the program tial and useful organizations that func- to the taxpaid luxury of a floating bar would have included the major sources tioned under our system of government. and restaurant, with no accounting to of funds that feed these hate groups. Several days ago the grand jury in Sel- those who pay the bills—the American The American people should know that ma, Ala., started an investigation and people? they are really paying for this cam

issued subpenas for certain witnesses Mr. Speaker, the time is long overdue paign that creates confusion, hate, dis

some of whom were employees of for the Sequoia to be scrapped. It is safe trust, and disunity, and for the organized the Justice Department. The Justice to say that no one but a chosen few in efforts of these groups against programs Department went into the Federal dis- Washington's ruling dynasty would that the people and the Nation need.

trict court in Mobile, Ala., and asked for mourn her passing. The American people are paying for an injunction to enjoin the grand jury the tax privileges which benefit big oil from making

from making an investigation. The monopolies and those individuals who district Federal court in Mobile, in my

LEGISLATIVE DELAYS finance, not only these hate groups but opinion, correctly refused such an in Mr. CEDERBERG. Mr. Speaker, I ask other efforts to destroy the social gains junction. The Justice Department went unanimous consent to address the House our people have won in the past genera- from there to the circuit court of ap- for 1 minute and to revise and extend tion.

peals in New Orleans and obtained a my remarks.

writ directing the Federal district judge The SPEAKER. Is there objection NEED FOR INTERNATIONAL

in Mobile to stop the grand jury in Sel- to the request of the gentleman from

ma, Ala., from making an investigation. Michigan? INSTITUTIONS

So far as I know, that is the first time There was no objection. Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Speaker, I ask in the history of this country that a Mr. CEDERBERG. Mr. Speaker, I unanimous consent to address the House grand jury has been enjoined from in- read with interest yesterday that a disfor 1 minute.

vestigating crime. Somebody has some- tinguished Member of the other body inThe SPEAKER. Is there objection thing to hide. I do not know why the ferred that the reason for their inactivto the request of the gentleman from Justice Department is opposed to a ity was somehow the fault of the House California ?

grand jury in Alabama investigating any- of Representatives. Also that he talked There was no objection. thing.

to a Member over here regarding the Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Speaker, now This is a most dangerous precedent, civil rights bill and stated that it would that the limited test ban treaty is a and could lead to the destruction of our not be out for 2 weeks and they would reality, representing a tiny but en system of law enforcement.

not be able to act on it because of that. couraging step toward a warless world, A man cannot be prosecuted for a fel. I know of no reason why the other body it is our duty to make preparations for ony unless indicted by a grand jury. A cannot act on civil rights any time it the next step. To do less, or to do grand jury cannot indict without an in- wants to. Furthermore, I would like to

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submit to them that we have had over The SPEAKER. Is there objection The SPEAKER. Is there objection there—our appropriations for the De- to the request of the gentleman from to the request of the gentleman from partments of State, Justice, Judiciary Louisiana?

Michigan? and Commerce-for 6 months, and there There was no objection.

There was no objection. has not been any action on it as yet. Mr. BOGGS. Mr. Speaker, I listened Mr. JOHANSEN. Mr. Speaker, apro

I understand from the news stories to the remarks made by the gentleman pos of the remark of the gentleman from that I read that regardless of what hap- from New York (Mr. BECKER). I know Louisiana [Mr. Boggs] to the effect that pens with the tax bill or the civil rights that we are having considerable discus- this is the capital of the free world, I am bill the other body does not intend to sions here about pay and other matters. not sure that the professor of Yale Unitake them up this year anyway. So I

So I As far as I know our pay goes on every versity who is now a Soviet prisoner in submit that what we ought to do is to day in the year and as far as I know the Moscow is completely convinced of that take care of the necessary authoriza- people want us to be here doing our fact at this moment. tions and the appropriations now. We duties and not back in New York or Mr. Speaker, I rise to offer the co have done a pretty good job in getting Louisiana or Oklahoma as long as there ment that perhaps some good can come legislation over to the other body. If If is work to do.

even from the evil of the Soviet arrest they would do as good a job as we have Mr. BECKER. Mr. Speaker, will the of Professor Barghoorn of Yale Univerdone, we could get out of here, not for gentleman yield?

sity if it serves to educate some of the Christmas, but for Thanksgiving.

Mr. BOGGS. I yield to the gentleman educators as to the facts of life about from New York.

Soviet Russia and international commuMr. BECKER. Certainly I am getting nism. LEGISLATIVE SITUATION

paid just the same as the gentleman Further good might even be accomMr. BECKER. Mr. Speaker, I ask from Louisiana. That is why I want to plished if the incident served to educate unanimous consent to address the House work. I do not want to have to be here some of the heads-in-the-clouds stripedfor 1 minute and to revise and extend just 1 day a week and have a bill pushed pants boys in the State Department. my remarks.

off to next week. Why not have these On the latter count, I must add that I The SPEAKER. Is there objection bills in in 1 week and let us work on

am not too optimistic. to the request of the gentleman from them, if we have got work to do?

It is incredible to me that there should New York?

Mr. BOGGS. What the gentleman be even a momentary hesitation about There was no objection.

means by work is being here on the floor. canceling the U.S. mission to Moscow to Mr. BECKER. Mr. Speaker, once

Mr. Speaker, once I suppose he does not consider work in negotiate renewal of the United Statesagain exercising my prerogative as a the committee and in his office as part Soviet cultural exchange program. member of the minority, and as the ma of his work.

Instead, there ought to be an instanjority leader is on the floor, I would like

Mr. BECKER. I am in committee taneous termination by the United States to ask him what we are going to do in the every day; and I am also here on the of all travel exchange between the two next couple of weeks. Are we just going floor.

countries. to be asked to go back and forth and sit

Mr. BOGGS. There is work in the

The blunt truth is that any American 1 or 2 days a week and then push legis- committee, work on committee reports, who sets foot on Soviet soil is now a polation off to the following week? I would and executive meetings of committees. tential hostage to be used by Mr. Khrulike to know now. I would like to spend There is the work of study and research, shchev in blackmail bargaining for the Thanksgiving with my family, and spend and so forth. We can talk about logs release of Soviet spies apprehended in some time in my district, talking to my on a ship, as the gentleman from Iowa this country. constituents. [Mr. GROSS] has done. I think that is

I note with particular interest the folMr. ALBERT. Mr. Speaker, will the all work. I am glad the gentleman is lowing statement by New York Times gentleman yield?

doing all that, as well as being here on Washington correspondent, M. S. HanMr. BECKER. Of course, I yield. the floor and making very good speeches. dler, in today's New York Times: Mr. ALBERT. I do not know what the

Mr. GROSS. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman is going to do. I think I am

In preliminary conversations the Soviet gentleman yield?

Government sought unobstructed access to going to work.

Mr. BOGGS. Certainly.

private American groups, organizations and Mr. BECKER. Fine, then let us have something to work on. The gentleman

Mr. GROSS. I heard what the gen persons without offering the equivalent opcannot tell me that what we have been tleman said about pay. Was the gentle- portunities to the United States.

The Russians are interested (in) technical doing here these past weeks is work. man referring to the pay increase bill?

delegations, particularly for the study of the We have had legislation only 1 or 2 days

Mr. BOGGS. I think we will get to oil and gas industries, chemicals, computers, a week. week. What What about Thanksgiving that. We will consider that before we

electronics, and automation. The United week? I understand the House will finish. We have gone a long time here. States is more interested in the area of genprobably be off that week. Is this true? I am happy to be here and to discharge eral studies. I would like to know now so that I can my duties the best way I can. I am sorry

I suppose that prudent parents in make arrangements. Why do we have the gentleman from New York complains America still warn their children against to act as puppets at the end of strings about being here. The gentleman must accepting rides

from strangers. operated by the puppeteers—the Demo- not like it here. He wants to be here

I hope to see the day come when those cratic leaders—and come here for 1 day about 10 hours a week.

responsible for our foreign policy will put or 2 days a week? Why not have all this

Mr. BECKER. I can be here all year, an end to international communism taklegislation in 1 week and let us get it if there is work to do. I like my district ing both our country and our citizens for done with? Why can we not know to- and the people in it, therefore, with the

a ride. day what we are going to do a week from way this Congress has been wasting time, now?

I could do better work by being back in I think the majority leader ought to my district seeing and discussing affairs INTERNATIONAL COFFEE AGREEanswer those questions now. This is no with my people. The legislation that

MENT ACT OF 1963 way to conduct the House, after being in we bring up now, is of little value to our

Mr. DELANEY. Mr. Speaker, by disession for almost 11 months. The people and only imposes more and more rection of the Committee on Rules I call Democratic majority has not even restrictions and more and more spending. up House Resolution 559 and ask for its brought up all appropriation bills that

immediate consideration. should have been passed before last

The Clerk read the resolution, as folJune 30.


Resolved, That upon the adoption of this

resolution it shall be in order to move that Mr. JOHANSEN. Mr. Speaker, I ask of the Whole House on the State of the Union

the House resolve itself into the Committee Mr. BOGGS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to address the House for unanimous consent to address the House for the consideration of the bill (H.R. 8864) 1 minute and to revise and extend my for 1 minute and to revise and extend to carry out the obligations of the United remarks. my remarks.

States under the International Coffee Agree

ment, 1962, signed at New York on Septem- the President might carry out the obliga this report and in the discussion of the ber 28, 1962, and for other purposes. After tions of the United States under the In- bill—the legislation will support the price

of coffee, or maintain the price of coffee, the bill and shall continue not to exceed two ternational Coffee Agreement which was

at least at the 1962 level, as far as Amerhours, to be equally divided and controlled ratified by the Senate on May 21, 1963. by the chairman and ranking minority mem

The bill would authorize the President ican consumers are concerned. ber of the Committee on Ways and Means, to require all coffee entering U.S. markets That does not mean coffee will be sold the bill shall be read for amendment under and all exports of coffee from the United at the 1962 price level. It means it will the five-minute rule. At the conclusion of States to be accompanied by a certificate

certificate not be sold below that 1962 average price the consideration of the bill for amendment, of origin or a certificate of reexport, to

level in this country, which, by the way, the Committee shall rise and report the bill limit imports of coffee from nonmember was higher than it is now. It does not to the House with such amendments as may countries, to require the keeping of cerhave been adopted, and the previous ques

prevent coffee prices from going way

above the 1962 level. tion shall be considered as ordered on the tain records, statistics, and other inforbill and amendments thereto to final passage mation, and to take such other action

Of course, the publicity that had been without intervening motion except one mo as he may consider necessary to imple- put out in connection with this legislation to recommit.

ment the obligations of the United States tion—I have read some of it is to the

under the treaty. The bill also authorizes effect there was some frost, and some CALL OF THE HOUSE

appropriations necessary to carry out the freezing of coffee trees, down in Brazil

obligations of the United States under and one or two other Latin American Mr. GROSS. Mr. Speaker, I make the

the treaty. point of order that a quorum is not

countries that might produce a coffee

Mr. Speaker, I urge the adoption of shortage, but there is still "an awful lot present. House Resolution 559.

of coffee in Brazil," as the old song goes. The SPEAKER. Evidently a quorum is not present.

Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, The real reason, as frankly stated on

page 2 of the report, is to maintain coffee Mr. ALBERT. Mr. Speaker, I move a I yield myself such time as I may concall of the House. sume.

prices in order to help the economy of A call of the House was ordered.

Mr. Speaker, this bill, if I can cut it the coffee producing Latin American

countries south of the border. That is The Clerk called the roll, and the fol- down to size so that we can all under

the only reason the bill is here. lowing Members failed to answer to their stand it, is primarily designed for one names:

purpose and one purpose only. That is We have an Alliance for Progress pro[Roll No. 198]

to give economic aid to certain Latin gram that was supposedly effective down Abele Green, Oreg. Minshall

American countries which produce a in Latin America. There have been some Ashley Green, Pa. Morris

great deal of coffee, by restricting the questions about its effectiveness in the Avery Griffiths O'Brien, Ill.

exporting, and also limiting the imports, last few months. This is a new way to Ayres Hanna O'Brien, N.Y.

of coffee in and out of the United States. give economic assistance to the people Barrett Harding

Hawkins Powell

Mr. Speaker, this whole thing was of Latin America, especially those na-

started a year or so ago by our State tions that are producing a great deal of Bolling Healey


Department, which joined in a meeting coffee, and to maintain coffee prices in
Brown, Calif. Hoffman Rivers, Alaska in New York City, as the gentleman from this country at the 1962 level, or above
Burkhalter Holifield Rodino
New York [Mr. DELANEY] has explained

if the price should go higher. Of course, Burton

Johnson, Wis. Roosevelt Byrnes, Wis. Karth


to the Members of the House, to see what if there should be any real coffee shortCahill Kee

St Germain could be done to help some of the coffee age the price would go higher. But there Cameron Kelly

St. Onge

producing nations of Latin America by is no evidence there will be a shortage Celler Keogh

Kilburn Schadeberg

any time soon.
having some sort of an international
Clawson, Del King, Calif. Scott

agreement as to the amount of coffee What the bill actually does is to put Corman Kluczynski Selden

those countries might ship into the the United States of America as a partCramer Knox


United States and which we, in turn, ner in sort of an international cartel Davis, Tenn. Landrum Short

might export in small amounts to other dealing with coffee, all for the benefit, Dawson Latta Sickles

countries. Most of our exports of coffee presumably, of the economies of the Diggs

Long, La. Thompson, La.
McCulloch Thompson, N.J.
as I understand it, that is, from the coffee-producing

coffee-producing countries in Latin Duncan McDade

Thomson, Wis. United States, are actually made up of America. But instead of helping those Everett McMillan Tollefson

powdered coffee and of other special cof countries with their economic problems Fino Madden

Mailliard Utt

fees, and not of the usual coffees that through the foreign aid program, and Ford Martin, Mass. Wallhauser you and I know.

the Alliance for Progress program, which Foreman Martin, Nebr. Watson

But, Mr. Speaker, if the Members of is seemingly being continued, we are goFulton, Tenn. Mathias

Miller, Calif. White

the House will read the report on this ing to do so by raising the price of coffee Gray Milliken

bill, they will see that the main reason or holding up the price of coffee in the The SPEAKER. On this rollcall 330 why it is here is the fact, as a result of United States at the expense of the Members have answered to their names, this conference in New York in the fall American housewife. a quorum.

of 1962, that on May 21, 1963, the Sen As far as I am concerned I am not too By unanimous consent, further pro- ate ratified a treaty legalizing our par enamored of this legislation. Yet we ceedings under the call were dispensed ticipation in that agreement, thus com find ourselves in the peculiar situation, with.

mitting us through a treaty, which, of the bad situation, where another body course, under the Constitution only the has ratified a treaty that our State De

Senate, passes upon, ratifies or refuses partment first helped to initiate in the INTERNATIONAL COFFEE AGREE

to ratify. The House of Representatives form of an agreement, to be later ratified MENT ACT OF 1963

was not even consulted or contacted as a treaty. The Committee on Ways Mr. DELANEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield about the matter until after the treaty and Means of necessity has brought in 30 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio was ratified. Then, of course, after the this bill so that the United States can [Mr. BROWN], and pending that, I yield treaty was ratified, the matter came be carry out, or find it possible to carry out, myself such time as I may consume.

fore the Committee on Ways and Means. the pledges, the promises, and the agreeMr. Speaker, House Resolution 559 The administration spokesman told the ments made under this treaty already provides for consideration of H.R. 8864, committee, “Now we have to have this ratified. a bill to carry out the obligations of the special legislation so as to provide and The first agreement in New York was United States under the International permit the U.S. Government to carry out entered into by representatives of our Coffee Agreement, 1962, signed at New the provisions of the treaty," which pro Government without the advice and conYork on September 28, 1962, and for visions have been explained in condensed sent of the House, so far as I know, then other purposes. The resolution provides form by the gentleman from New York ratified by the Senate under the proan open rule with 2 hours of general [Mr. DELANEY). But, actually, what this visions of the Constitution, without anydebate.

bill does if one will read page 2 of the body in the House knowing about it, or The purpose of H.R. 8864 is to author commitee report and the Committee on being consulted, or their advice or conize the procedures required in order that ways and Means has been very frank in sent sought, of course. So here we are


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