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Indian Appropriation Bill Naval Appropriation Bill.

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nays 57.

Lawler, Gideon Lee, Josbua Lee, Thomas Lee, Leon- of the navy, in support of the propriety of ordering the
ard, Logan, Loyall, Lucas, William Mason, M. Jason, Pennsylvania to be launched forth with, and said a few
McKay, McKeon, McKim, McLene, Miller, Muhlenberg, words bimself in support of the amendment of the Sen.
Patterson, Pallun, Franklin Pierce, Dutee J. Pearce, ate; and, after some further remarks from Messrs.
Phelps, Pinckney, Joseph Reynolds, Rogers, Schenck, INGERSOLL, REED, and WILLIAMS of North
Seymour, Shields, Shinn, Sickles, Smith, Taylor, Carolina,
Thomas, John Thomson, Turrill, Vanderpoel, Wage- Mr. INGERSOLL moved to insert $400,000 in place
ner, Ward, Wardwell, Websler, Thomas T. Whittlesey, of $100,000.
Wise, Yell--94.

Mr. CAMBRELENG resisted this increase, and said So the House disagreed to the amendment of the the appropriations in this bill were already large enough Senate.

for the present year-larger, by far, than met his approINDIAN APPROPRIATION BILL.

bation. On motion of Mr. CAMBRELENG, the House then

The amendment of Mr. INGERSOLL was then disresolved itself into a Committee of the Whole on the

agreed to, only 45 voting for it; and the question recur. state of the Union, (Mr. Pience, of New Hampshire,

ring on agreeing to the amendment of the Senate, as in the chair,) and, on motion of the same gentleman, took

amended by the committee, up the amendments of the Senate to the Indian annuity

Mr. MERCER moved to reconsider the vote by which bill," which having been concurred in

Mr. French's amendment had been adopted, but sub Mr. CAMBRELENG submitted several additional sequently withdrew it. ilems, which he said had undergone the revision both of

Mr. PEARCE, of Rhode Island, moved further to the Committee of Ways and Means and the chairman of

amen:) the Senate's amendment by appropriating the the Committee on Indian Affairs.

sum of $15,000 for the erection of a marine hospital at The principal of these were as follows:

Portland, Maine; $10,000 for one at Wilmington, North For carrying into effect the treaty with the Menomo.

Carolina, and alike for a similar object at Newport, nies, of September, 1836, $288,540.

Rhode Island; wben, after some remarks from Messrs. For carrying into effect the treaty with the Pottawat.

PEARCE, JARVIS, and SUTHERLAND, the amendimies, of August, 1836, $73,423.

ment of Mr. PEARCE was disagreed to, and the amend. For the same with the loways, of September, 1836,

ment of the Senate, as amended, was agreed to: Yeas 77, $65,590. For the sime with the Sacs and Foxes, of September, priation of $15,000 for a marine hospital at Mobile. Lost


Mr. LYON moved an amendment making an appro1836, $138,240. For the same with the Missourias, $3,000.

The committee then rose and reported, and the For the same with the Omabas, $2,470.

amendments of the Committee of the Whole to the InSeveral other additional items were also proposed, to

dian annuity bill having been agreed to by the House,

the amendments of the Senate, as amended, were severgether with a proposition for an inquiry into the depredations commiited by the hostile Indians of the South,

ally concurred in. (the latter slightly modified on motion of Mr. E. WHIT.

The House then took up the amendment of the ComTLESEY;) all of which were agreed to.

mittee of the whole, moved by Mr. FRENCE, to the Mr. BELL, from the Committee on Indian Affairs, sub.

amendment of the Senate to the nayal service bill; but, mitted several additional items and amendments; which

before any action was had thereon, the hour of three were agreed to.

having arrived, it took the usual recess till half past

four. Mr. GARLAND, of Virginia, submitted an amend. ment proposing an appropriation of $17,000 to defray the

EVENING Session. expenses of holding treaties with all the Indian tribes

NAVAL APPROPRIATION BILL. east of the Mississippi, and of examining the country to be assigned to them, &c.; which was agreed to.

The bill making appropriations for the naval service The bill was then laid aside, to be reported to the

for the year 1837,” returned from the Senate with

amendments, being under consideration; the question House.

pending was on concurring with the Committee of the NAVAL APPROPRIATION BILL.

Whole on the state of the Union in the following: The commitlee then, on motion of Mr. CAMBREL. The Senate bad amended the bill by inserting a clause ENG, took up the amendments of the Senate to the “bill appropriating “$100,000 for launching and securing the making appropriations for the naval service for the year ship of the line Pennsylvania;" and the Committee of 1837."

the Whole bad amended the same by inserting an ad. All the amendments of the Senate, with one exception, ditional item, authorizing the President to select and were concurred in.

cause to be purchased, for the use and benefit of sick The amendment appropriating the sum of $100,000 seamen and boalır.en on the Western waters, suitable sites for launcbing the ship of the line Pennsylvania was for marine hospitals, &c., not exceeding three upon the taken up.

Ohio, three upon the Mississippi, and one upon Loke Mr. FRENCH moved to amend it by inserting a pro- Erie. vision authorizing the President to select and cause to Mr. CAVE JOHNSON called for a division of the be purchased, for the use and benefit of sick seamen and question on the amendment, so as to take it separately boatmen on the Western waters, suitable sites for marine on that of the Senate and that of the Committee of the hospitals, &c., not exceeding three upon the Ohio, three

Whole, upon the Mississippi, and one upon Lake Erie; which, The CHAIR ruled that such a division was out of after some remarks from Messrs. FRENCII, PHILLIPS, order, but suggested to the gentleman from Tennessee DUNPLAP, DENNY, and JARVIS, was agreed to. That he might attain his object by a motion to recommit

Mr. JOHNSON, of Louisiana, proposed an item of the bill to the Committee of the whole, and, if that mo$70,000 for the erection of a marine hospital at New tion should prevail, then moving a reconsideralion of Orleans; which, after some remarks from Messrs. the vote by which the amendment to the amendment had JOHNSON, HUNT, SMITH, and WILLIAMS of been agreed to. North Carolina, was rejected.

Mr. JOHNSON accordingly made that motion. Mr. HARPER then adduced a letter from an officer Mr. WARDWELL moved the previous question, but

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the House refused to second it; and the motion to recom- -Mr. BOND addressed the House at some length, in mit was disagreed 10, without a division.

opposition to the amendment. Mr. JOHNSON, of Louisiana, moved an amendment After some few remarks by Mr. CAMBRELENG, making appropriations for marine hospitals at New Mr. BRIGGS withdrew his amendment. Orleans, Mobile, Portland, Newport, and Wilmington, The amendment of the Senate to increase the salary North Carolina, amounting in all to $115,000.

of the Surveyor General of Arkansas from $1,500 to After some remarks by Messrs. JOHNSON of Lou- $2,000, being taken up separately, was discussed by isiana, SMITH, REYNOLDS of Illinois, PEARCE of Messrs. YELL, LOVE, CAVE JOHNSON, and JOHNRhode Island, and PARKER, the amendment of Mr. SON of Louisiana; after which, the committee non-conJOHNSON was agreed to: Yeas 79, Days 56.

curred in the amendment. The question then recurred on the amendment of the The amendment of the Senate making an appropria. Committee of the Whole, as amended.

tion of $30,000 for the purchase of certain manuscripts Mr. RENCHER called for the yeas and ways; which of the late James Madison, being taken up separately, were ordered.

was, after some remarks by Messrs. DAWSON, Mr. BOND opposed the amendment, on the ground HUNTSMAN, and CAMBRELENG, concurred in. that it had been introduced with the expectation of The amendment of the Senate to increase the fund carrying it through by a bargain. He was opposed to for the contingent expenses of foreign intercourse, beall bargains of this kind, and would take the responsi- ing taken up separately, was, after some explanations bility of voting against this amendment.

between Messrs. CAMBRELENG, A. H. SHEPPERD, Mr. LANE would say to the gentleman from Ohio HOWARD, and CAVE JOHNSON, non-concurred in. [Mr. Bond] that he made no bargains; that he did not Mr. CUSHING moved an amendment appropriating belong to the bargain and sale party; that he was not $15,500 for the purchase of Gales & Seaton's Register surprised 10 bear ihal gentleman denounce the amend of Debates, for the use of members; which was agreed to. ment in such unmeasured terms; it was an appropriation The amendment of the Senate increasing the salaries for the West, and connected with Western interests, so of the clerks in the executive departments being taken uniformly opposed by that gentleman.

up separately, After some remarks by Mr. SUTHERLAND, in sup. Mr. JOHNSON, of Tennessee, moved an amendment, port of the amendment,

also increasing the salaries of the messengers and assist Mr. JARVIS moved an amendment providing that no ant messengers; which was agreed to. greater sums should be expended on said hospitals than Mr. G. LEE moved an amendment increasing the the amounts herein appropriated. Agreed to.

salaries of the collectors, naval officers, and survey. The question was then taken on the amendment of ors, &c., twenty-five per cent. Lost. the Committee of the Whole, as amended, and decided After some remarks by Messrs. JOHNSON, THOMP. in the negative: Yeas 72, nays 110.

SON of South Carolina, R. GARLAND, and LAW. So the House non-concurred in the amendment of the RENCE, Committee of the Whole.

Mr. VINTON moved an amendment providing that The question then recurred on the amendment of the said increase shall not be allowed to any clerk who now Senale making an appropriation of $100,000 for launch- receives more than $1,200. ing and repairing the ship of the line Pennsylvania. After some remarks by Messrs. VINTON, ANTHO

Mr. JARVIS called for the yeas and nays; which NY, CAMBRELENG, and HAWES, the amendment were ordered.

of Mr. Vinton was disagreed to: Yeas 21, nays 103. After some remarks by Messrs. GRAVES and SUTH. Mr. PEYTON moved an amendment excepting the ERLAND, the question was taken, and decided in the clerks in the quartermaster general's office. List. affirmative: Yeas 89, nay's 86.

Mr. GRENNELL moved an amendment including So the amendment of the Senate was concurred in. the first clerks to commandants in the navy yards at

All the other amendments of the Senate were then New York, Buston, and Norfolk. concurred in, without a division.

Asier some remarks by Mr. GRENNELL, the amendMr. CAMBRELENG moved that the House resolvement was disagreed to. itself into a Committee of the Whole on the state of the Mr. THOMPSON, of South Carolina, moved an amend Union.

ment to increase the pay of the officers of the army Mr. WISE asked leave to present a report from the twenty-five per cent. Lost. select investigating committee of which he was chair. The amendment of the Senate, as amended, was then

Mr. W. remarked that it would not occupy ten concurred in. minutes.

Mr. CAMBRELENG moved an amendment approObjection being made, Mr. W. moved a suspension priating $8,200 as compensation for commissioner, secof the rule, but the motion was disagreed to, without a retary, and contingent expenses of the commissioners division.

under the convention with Spain. Agreed to. CIVIL AND DIPLOMATIC APPROPRIATION BILL.

Mr. LEWIS moved a reconsideration of the vote by

which the amendment of the Senate, increasing the On motion of Mr. CAMBRELENG, the House, went salaries of clerks, was concurred in; which motion was into Committee of the whole, (Mr. Pierce of New disagreed to. Hampshire, in the chair,) and took up the "bill making Mr. PEYTON submitted the following amendment, [on appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of which he concluded bis remarks in Committee of the the Government for the year 1837,” which had been Whole House on the state of the Union, nol having an returned from the Senate with various amendments. opportunity to do so in the House on the night of the ist

The first amendment of the Senate was, that the an- of March:] nual salary of the Recorder of the General Land Office Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, that the President, shall be $2,000, and that the sum of $100 shall be paid by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shali to Charles Gordon, for services rendered under the res. appoint an officer, to be called the superintendent of the olution of the Senate of July 2, 1836.

public deposites, whose duty it shall be to manage and Mr. BRIGGS moved an amendment to this amend. superiorend all the correspondence, business, and interment, making the salaries of the three Assistant Post. ests, connected with the deposite banks, under the di. mnasiers General the same as the Auditors of the Treas. rection of the Secretary of the Treasury; and whose cor. ury and Commissioner of Patents.


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respondence and all other proceedings shall be deemed all; and he was not only supported by a majority of the official, and regularly filed and kept with the other pas committee in these refusals, but he was supporled also pers of the Treasury Department.

by a majority in this House; the same body, sir, which Sec. 4. And be it furlher enacted, That said superin. appointed the committee, professing to confer upon it tendent shall receive a fixed annual compensation of the power, and requiring of it the duty, to ascertain all three thousand five hundred dollars.

that he or any other witness might know or had done in Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That no bank shall reference to the subject proposed to be inquired into. be continued or hereafter selected as a depository of the He persists in his refusal, and is sustained in ir by the ma. public money, unless such bank shall expressly stipulate jority of the committee and of the flouse. Again he is that all correspondence and other proceedings, between summoned to appear at the bar of the House, io answer said bank and the Secretary of the Treasury, or between upon the most important subjects of the inquiry, but the said bank and said superintendent, or any other person | majoriry again sustain him in bis contumacy. or persons, touching the public deposites, their custody, How changed are the notes of these gentlemen! Upon use, or disbursement, shall at all times be open for the the 9ih of April, 1836, when my frienii, who sits before inspection or examination of any committee of either me, from Virginia, (Mr. Wise,] alluded to this agency House of Congress.

and official connexion as possibly existing, ag now pro. • Mr. Chairman, I offer that amendment, sir, with the ven to have existed, the official organ came out with an Assurance to this committee that I am serious when I pro authorized denial, emanating from the Secretary of the pose it for its consideration. Sir, this unknown, illegiti. Treasury, of any official connexion between that De. mate, secret agent should no longer exist. This minis- partment and this agent; and volunteered a realiness ter extraordinary near the Treasury Department should upon the part of Whion-y to respond to any and all have a salary and an ouifit; his character should be questions which that gentleman miglit choose to ask! known; his credentials should be received; his compen. Then was the gauni let thus thrown down. sation provided for by law; his correspondence should Again, when the President wts in ihe State of Ten. be public, inasmuch as it appertaing to the public inter- nessee, during the last summer, in a public' speech to est; and this secret, collusive, and fraudulent intimacy, him at Jo iesborough, he was called oui to testify upon which has so long existed, should be broken up. this subject; and what position did he then take? Why,

Sir, there is an agent, or an officer of the deposite that no such agency esisted; that the allegation was false; banks or of the Treasury, now living in this city, with a a slander got up by the partisans of the bank to calum. salary, as has been proven, of near seven thousand dolo niate an injured man, who was persecuted by the Bank lars per annum; and yet, sir, the amount of his salary of the United States! And yet now, sir, when a com. and the extent of his power are unknown, and the sour. mittee is appointed to investigate these charges, and ces of his revenue have scarcely been touched or fath. when the agent himself has an opportunity to testify lo omed; fur, from upwards of ninety deposite banks, tlie his innocence, and prove the falsehood of these charges select committee have not received returns from half the against him, what position do the Presiden', the Secreo number; yet his direct compensation is now proven to tary of th- Treasury, the official organ, the innocent be near the sum, over or under, of $7,000 per annum, man, all take? Why, that it is " inquisitorial," and that from eleven or twelve institutions.

we deserve to be punished for calling upon an innocent Mr. Chairman, the question arises, is there a necessity man to disprove his own guilt! for such an officer of your Government? If so, there Mr. Chairman, I feel authorized to say, upon the aumust be a necessity for making provision for his salary. thority of one of the members of this House from Penn. If there be no such necessity, this House ought to desylvania, also a member of another select committee, clare it by rejecting the amendment I have offered. (Mr. MOHLENBERG,] not that he has himself told me,

Sir, for the broad investigation which has been al. but I have it as coming from a gentle nan who was pres. tempted to be

ade into the nature of this agency, the ent with him on the occasion, of which I have no doubt, character of the agent's business, the amount of his com. that the President of the United States did say “that pensation, the time has been, as you know, (Mr. PIERCE, Peyton and Wise were the men (or fellows) who should of New Hampshire, one of the select committee, then be punished, and that innocent man (Whitney) should occupied the chair,) short and limited, so much so in. be discharged." Have I been misinformed? The gen. deed that it was impossible to ascertain the nature or ex- tleman can answer. Did not that gentleman, in cointent of either. On the 20th of January, as you well re. pany with a gentleman from his own State, perhaps one member, in the committee, resolutions were proposed, of his constituents, visit the President a short time since; Calling upon all the receivers and officers at a distance and, in that visit, did not the President denounce my to furnish the committee with such infor nation as ti.ey friend and myself in strong terms, and say we ought to were possessed of touching the subject of our investiga- be punisheil, and Whitney discharged? tion. They passed upon that day; and upon the 18th Now, sir, what was the course of th - witness himself? February you will remember that a motion was made this innocent man! Why, he avails himself of that and carried in the committee that no further testimony protection which authorizes a man to refuse to testify be taken; allowing, therefore, only twenty-nine diys to l against himself; a provision made for lelo.s and male. carry on this most extended correspondence. But, sir, factors, and never sough! to be pleaded by any man the want of time was the smallest difficulty with which who is not conscious of guilt. Let me, sir, allude to an we had to contend. We had to contend with the whole illustrious example in history. When the Govern:r power of the Executive, which was interposed, at every General of Hindustan, the celebrated Warren Hasting", step and stage of the inquiry, to shield this agent, to was arraigned at the bar of the British Hlouse of Coin. suppress inquiry; and, with such encouragement, such mone, upon charges impeaching his character, his official countenance, and such support, that agent treated the conduci, and his honesty, wliai did he say? Why, sir, committee itself with contempt day after day, and time even a man standing in the high and elevated position after time. Sir, we passed resolutions requiring that the of Governor General of Ilindostan dared not assume the witness shoulil answer all questions of a public nature high ground this Whitney has taken in de fiance of the propounded to him; he responded by demanding that American Congress, and in the face of the American we should decide upon the preliminary question, his ap- people. " Mr. Hastings said he had only five days in plication for a week's delay. Even that the committee which to make the refutation of charges it had been the yielded io liim, and then he finally refused to answer at labur of his accusers, armed with all the powers of Para


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lament, to compile during as many years of almost un. further says, that be (meaning yoursell) will annex to disturbed leisure.”

his deposition all the copies called for, and wbich it Yes, sir, the British Parliament armed its commitlees would be in his power to give, except of the correspondwith all its power.

Whatever power the one had was ence directly from and to the Secreiary of the Treasury, bestowed upon the other; and so should it be in the which is voluminous, &c. State if you are willing, at American Congress. Yet, sir, here was a committee of this time, to give copies, or answer questions as to the inves:igation, with a majority of six to three of its mem- purport of the memoranda, letters, &c., above referred bers politically opposed to the very object for which the If yer, annex copies, or state the purport of the committee was raised. I am not, however, to be un- same, if in your power. derstood ag including the honorable chairman of that " Mr. Gillet objected to this question, which was decommittee (Mr. GARLAND) in any thing that I may say. cided in the affirmative by the following vote: My allusion is to the appointment of the committee by " Ayes-- Messrs. Garland, Pierce, Fairfield, Peyton, the Speaker of the House. Now, let me ask, what Hamer. power have three against six? Even when our honor- “Noes--Messrs. Gillet, Martin. able chairman, in his patriotic, just, and upright feel. “The question was put to the witness, who replied ings, voted with us, which he very generally did, we as follows: were then only as four to five; and what could we do? " Answer. I am not.

Sir, Warren Hastings further observes: “If truth can 6. Does or does not the correspondence, copies of tend to convict me, I am content to be niyself the chan- which you have heretofore, in your testimony, and still nel to convey it."

decline to lay before the committee, between yourself Yes, sir, that was his language: “If truth can tend to as cashier of the Girard Bank, and R. M. Whitney as convict me, I am content to be the channel to convey agent of that bank, relate to the public money in or out it.” Warren Hastings, if guilty, knew the importance of said bank, its use, or the expected use of the same? of assuming at least the semblance of innocence.

And state, further, whether the said correspondence, What a contrast does this conduct present to Whit- upon the side of said Whitney, is marked confidential; ney's! When we propounded questions to him, as to anıl, further, whether you have reasons to apprehend inhis connexion with the public treasure, his connexion jury to the pecuniary interest of said bank, if you were with the deposite banks, and his fraudulent speculations to make a disclosure of the same. in stocks and lands, he declined to answer. He then "Mr. Pierce objected to this question, which was dechanges the position he had assumed in the Globe. lle cided in the negative by the following voie: had advertised himself as an injured and innocent man, " Ay~ Mr. Peyton. ready and willing to answer all and every thing he “ Noes--Messrs. Garland, Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, knew; but, when he is brought to the test, he shrinks Martin, Hamer. and skulks under what he conceives to be liis privilege “7. Do you know the facts upon which the president a privilege always assumed by a man conscious of guill-- of said bank differs with you in relation to the propriely of not being his own accuser. Why, this very plea is of producing said correspondence? If yea, state what tantamount to an acknowledgment of his guilt, and will are the facts. be so held by the American people.

“ Mr. Pierce objected to this question, which was de. I will allude, sir, briefly to only one other evidence to cided in the negative by the following vote: the same effect, in which the majority of the committee “ Ayes-Messrs. Garland, Fairfield, Peyton. made a similar interposition, calculated to suppress in- "Noes-Messrs. Pierce, Gillet, Martin, Hamer. quiry, and I will then proceed to the consideration, “8. Has or has not R. M. Whitney been compensamore directly, of the amendment I have offered. Here ted, directly or indirectly, for services rendered, or sup. was a question I propounded to William D. Lewis, cash- posed to be rendered, to any deposite bank, or company, jer of the Girard Bank of Philadelphia, and he took the or individual, in procuring the use of money for or from same ground that Whitney did with regard to disclosures any deposite bank, since he has been acting as agent for of correspondence.

the deposite banks, or some of them? Speak from in. "3. In the evidence of the president of said bank and formation which you may have received from him, said yourself, you state that his (Mr. Whitney's) annual com- Whitney, or any agent or officer of said banks, or within pensation was, and is, $500; and that upon each of two your own knowledge, if any such exists. occasions, as I understand the evidence, he received a “Mr. Gillet objected to this question, which was degratuity of $500, in addition to his regular compensation. cided in the negative by the following vote: Will you have the goodness to explain to the committee "Ayes-Messrs. Garland, Martin, Peyton. for what extra or other services said allowance was “Noes--Messrs. Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, Hauer. made, if said services were rendered for the said bank "9. Is not R. M. Whitney a stockholder-if yea, to as a fiscal agent of the Government, in and about the what amountain any of the deposite banks at this public money on deposite, or to be on deposite in the time?

“Mr. Pierce objected to this question, which was de. "Mr. Gillet objected to this question, which was de- cided in the negative by the following vote: cided in the negative by the following vote:

“Ay--Mr. Peyton. " Ayes-Messrs. Garland, Martin, Peyton.

“Noes-Messrs. Garland, Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, "Noes--Messrs. Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, Hamer.” Hamer.

"15. The president of the Girard Bank, of which you “10. Who wrote the original, of which the letter exare cashier, expressed a willingness to annex to his state- bibit A is substantially a copy? At what fime did Mr. ment, heretofore sent to the committee, copies of every Amos Kendall, if ever to your knowledge, come to a thing contained in books, papers, letters, orders, reso. knowledge of the existence of such or a similar plan 49 Jutions, contracts, correspondence, and memoranda,' re- is therein contained? ferred to in the interrogatories upon which his testimony “Mr. Gillet objected to this question, which was dewas taken, from 1 to 10, and from 18 to 21, inclusive, cided in the negative by the following vole: and 25, 26, and 31,'. but abstained from doing so, be. * Ayes-Messrs. Garland, Peyton. cause he was aware that the cashier (you) was about “Noes-- Messrs. Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, Hamer. being examined as a witness under the same commission, *11. Has or has not the bank of which you are and upon these identical interrogatories,' &c.; and he cashier derived information from R. M. Whitney which


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enabled it to use public money on deposite advanta- “ Answer. There is an agent of some of the deposite geously for itself, or its friends, in speculation?

banks residing in Washington, R. M. Whitney. “Mr. Gillet objected to this question, which was de formation on this subject is derived partly from leiters cided in the negative by the following vote:

from banks on file in the Treasury Department, and " Ayes-Messrs. Garland, Peyton.

parıly from having heard Mr. Whitney say he was em. “Noes-Messrs. Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, Hamer. ployed by some of them as their agent. I know nothing

"12. Did you hold a conversation with R. M. Whit- of any agreement or contract he may have with any of ney on the subject of the issuance of the Treasury circu- | those banks. The character of his business i believe to lar of July 11, before its issuance? If yea, what informa- be to attend to their interests, so far as relates to their tion did he possess and communicate on that subject? connexion with the Department; that is, he altends gen

" Mr. Fairfield objecied to this question, which was erally to all matters in which their operations are requidecided in the negative by the following vote:

red in relation to the keeping, disbursing, and transfer"Ay-Mr. Peyton.

ring of the public money. Those operations sometimes “Noes-Messrs. "Garland, Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, operate, as the banks say, injuriously to their interesis, Hamer.

and he has frequently called on the Secretary, and other “13. Could or could not large speculations have arrangements have been made, I presume and believe, been made by banks, companies, or individuals, in con- on his representations. I know not what compensation sequence of knowing in advance that such a circular as he receives. I am under the impression that I have that of July 11 last would be issued? 11 yea, state the heard him say that the three first sele cted banks in New modus operandi.

York paid bim one thousand dollars each." “Mr. Fairfield objected to this question, which was And yet, Mr. Chairman, this resolution, which was indecided in the negative by the following vote:

troduced by you, sir, [Mr. PIERCE,) and adopted by the “Ay-Mr. Peyton.

majoriiy of the committee, expressly says that not "any's “Noes-Messrs. Garland, Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, of the deposite banks have employed this agent to trangHamer.

act their business at the Treasury Depariment! How "14. Do you or do you not know that R. M. Whit. can that resolution stand with the testimony of the chief ney did communicate that information to his friends, and clerk of that Department? that large speculations were made by them in conse- But, sir, it is possible to make this inconsistency still quence of that information?

more apparent. I will quote the testimony of Levi "Mr. Fairfield objected to this question, which was Woodbury liimself; and although his answers are elabodecided in the negative by the following role:

rate arguments, page after page, yet, sir, when we come " Ay-Mr. Peyton.

to the answering part of them, he is compelled to admit “Noes-Messrs. Garland, Pierce, Fairfield, Gillet, this official connexion between him and his friend ReuHamer."

ben M. Whitney. He is compelled to show the nature My friend from Virginia being abserot, as he was al. of the business iransacted personally by the agent, Whitmost all the time, at this period, engaged in the labors of ney, as the authorized agent of some of the deposite the other committee.

banks, with the Department; and by the Department This, sir, affords a pretty fair sample of the views and through the agent, Whitney, as an “organ of communi the construction given by the majority of the committee cation” with the deposite banks. I will show it all, Mr. to any power of inquiring into the indirect compensation Chairman. Let any man attend to the testimony of Mr. derived by this agent in speculations with companies or Woodbury, and disbelieve it if he can. I will first read individuals; and, taken in connexion with the course of a short sentence or two, to show the “official connexion." the President, and the House itself, as well as the wit. In speaking of Whitney and other agents he says: ness and some of the deposite banks, an imperfect idea “ With all these agents before named, as well as many may be formed of the difficulties with which the minori- others, when transacting business for their principals, ty of this committee had to contend. But, Mr. Chair: the official connexion of the Department has, in all oiher man, I will call the atiention of the committee for a respects, as well as in these, been similar." short time, for I do not mean to trespass on its patience, Again he says: to the first resolution adopted by this majority, and then “They have access to papers and every species of I will take up the testimony of Mr. Woodbury, and of public information." “But, in the case of the agent of one of his clerks, I will show, sir, and convince any the bank, no indulgence of any kind is known or believed man in this House, of whatever parly be may be, who to have been granted, which, if requested, has been will give his ears to my statement, and do himself the withheld from the agents on other subjects, and especialjustice to think, that the testimony and the resolution ly the agents of corporations or persons in public employ. are in the direct face of each other. If I fail in doing so, ment; nor any withheld which, in other like cases, has, I will surrender every thing like judgment in the case. on request, been granted." Here is the resolution:

“I can think of no further explanation desirable as to " Resolved, (as the opinion of this committee,) That the official connexion between the agent for some of the the several banks employed for the deposite of the pub. deposite banks and this Department." Tic money have not all, or any of them”-mark that Now, sir, I will show you what that “official connesword "any," Mr. Chairman-robave not all, or any of ion" is. them, by joint or several contract, employed an agent, to

" 44. In the cases alluded to in your report of the reside at ihe seat of Government, to iransact Their busi- 111h instant, where the Planters' Bank, Natchez, and the ness with the Treasury Department.”

Commercial Bank, Cincinnati, confided authority upon Well, sir, here is a declaration sufficiently explicit. said Whitney, as shown to you in a written communicaThe deposite banks bave not, "any of them,"employed tion, what was that authority, whiat were the claims or an agent here to transact business with the Treasury requests made by him, what was the case of the ComDepartment.

mercial Bank at New Orleans? I will now read a single clause from the testimony of “Mr. Gillet objected to this question, which was dethe chief clerk of the Treasury Deparunent, Mr. Mc- cided in the affirmative by the following vote: Clintock Young. Here is what he says on oath:

"Ayes— Messrs. Garland, Pierce, Wise, Johnson, 1. State all you may know upon the subjects of in Hamer, Martin, Peylon, Fairfield. quiry contained in the resolution of the House which is “No-Mr. Gillet. now before you.

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