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mine the number of assistants the Doorkeeper shall have, and who shall make the appoint


We respectfully recommend the adoption of the following resolution, and ask to be discharged from the further consideration of the subject:

Resolved, That the Doorkeeper be authorized to employ one assistant doorkeeper, one messenger, one attendant on the committee rooms, and one person to make fires in the Hall. The question being upon the adoption of the resolution.

Mr. BASCOM moved to lay it upon the table, The motion was not agreed to.

The question recurring upon the adoption of the resolution,


Mr. KELSO opposed its adoption. was an absolute necessity, he said, for the services of all these messengers. They could not be dispensed with without serious inconvenience. As to the assertion of the committee that no power was vested in the Doorkeeper to make the appointments, he would ask to whom the power did belong, if not to him.

Mr. BORDEN observed, that it was proper

that he should state that he did not himself entirely concur in the resolution, but that he had submitted it in obedience to the instructions of a majority of the committee. He would state, however, that he was satisfied that too many officers were employed.

Mr. KELSO moved that the resolution be laid upon the table.

[Cries of "No!" "No!"]

Mr. KELSO withdrew the motion.

Mr. FOSTER said, he was decidedly of the impression that there were too many persons employed. He rose however, he said, for the purpose of moving to amend the resolution by adding two additional messengers.

After some conversational debate the question was taken on the amendment of the gentleman from Monroe, and it was not agreed to. The question recurred on the adoption of the resolution reported by the committee.

Some further conversation ensued, and the yeas and nays being demanded, were taken with the following result, yeas 84 nays 47, as follows:

man, Niles, Nofsinger, Owen, Pepper of Crawford, Read of Clark, Read of Monroe, Robinson, Shannon, Sherrod, Shoup, Sims, Smiley, Spann, Steele, Stevenson, Tague, Taylor, Terry, Thomas, Todd, Trembly, Vanbenthusen, Walpole, Wheeler, Wolf, Work, Wunderlich, Yocum, and Mr. President-yeas 84.

NAYS.-Alexander, Bascom, Borden, Bowers, Butler, Carter, Chapman, Chenowith, Davis of Madison, Davis of Vermillion, Dunn of Perry, &c., Duzan, Edmonston, Gootee, Hamilton, Hardin, Hawkins, Holman, Johnson, Kelso, Kindley, Maguire, May, McClelland, McLean, Miller of Clinton, Miller of Fulton, Milligan, Mooney, Morrison of Marion, Nave, Pepper of Ohio, Pettit, Prather, Ristine, Ritchey, Schoonover, Snook, Smith of Ripley, Smith of Scott, Thornton, Wallace, Watts, Wiley, and Zenornays 47.

So the resolution was adopted.


Mr. READ, of Monroe, chairman of the committee on standing committees, made the following report:

the business of this Convention, and to desig "The committee appointed to report a plan for nate the number and functions of the different standing committees, beg leave to make the following report:

following, to whom shall be referred all such That the standing committees shall be the matters touching the Constitution as properly belong to each, and that they report, without argument, the provisions, alterations, or amendments required."

[The list of committees was here read by the Secretary.]

Mr. READ of Monroe moved, that the report be laid upon the table and printed.

It was suggested by several members that there should be three hundred copies printed.

Mr. BORDEN said, that in view of the fact that the report might be amended when it should come to be considered, he thought a hundred and fifty copies would be enough.

Mr. KELSO desired that the motion to lay on the table might be withdrawn ; and the motion being withdrawn accordingly, he said: If the Convention were satisfied with the report, as he was himself, perfectly, it would be well enough to print the three hundred copies proposed, but if a majority should demand alterations and amendments, then the printing of any number would be an entire loss. He did not know but it would be proper at this time to put the question upon the adoption of the report.

AYES.-Allen, Anthony, Badger, Balingall, Beach, Beard, Beeson, Berry, Bicknell, Biddle, Blythe, Bracken, Brookbank, Bryant, Carr of Jackson, Chandler, Clark of Hamilton, Clark of Tippecanoe, Coats, Cole, Colfax, Crawford Davis of Parke, Dick, Dobson, Farrow, Fisher, Foley, Foster, Frisbie, Garvin, Gibson, Gordon, Graham of Miami, Graham of Warrick, Gregg, Haddon, Hall, Holliday, Harbolt, Helm, Helmer, Hendricks, Hiatt, Hogin, Hovey, Howe, Huff, Kent, Kendall of Wabash, Kendall of Warren, Logan, March, Mather, Mathis, McFarland, Miller of Gibson, Milroy, Moore, Morgan, Morrison of Washington, Mowrer, Murray, New-weary of idleness.

Mr. COOKERLY. It seemed, to his mind, that the Convention ought to adopt or reject the report at once. It seemed to him to be high time for the Convention to be getting to work. They had been sent here to work, and he was

The PRESIDENT stated the question to be upon the adoption of the resolution, and the yeas and nays were demanded thereupon.

Mr. WOLFE. He also hoped the Conven- from the publishers of the Indiana State Jourtion would either adopt or reject the report now. nal, the Indiana State Sentinel, the Indiana He was himself agreed to it in every particular, Statesman, the Indiana Valksblatt, and the Loexcept as to the number of members of the com- comotive, such numbers of each as are named mittee on phraseology, which was to be com- in the foregoing estimate, and that the Convenposed of the chairmen of all the other commit-tion hereby authorize the payment of the posttees. He thought the number too great entire-age on such of the above named papers as may ly, but would give way to the opinion of others. be sent by mail, and upon all public documents Mr. OWEN said, he thought the printing ordered to be printed by this body and mailed at could surely be obtained by to-morrow morning; the Indianapolis post office. and, as there were some gentlemen who had doubts about the propriety of adopting the report now-and as it was, in fact, a very important one, for upon it, to a considerable extent, Mr. WATTS said, he did not like to oppose depended the after-business of the Convention the resolution, yet he could not vote for it. He -he thought it prudent to postpone final action. had some experience in this newspaper business. Assured, as he was, that the printing could be He had seen wagon loads of packages which had had in the morning, it seemed to him that the been ordered in this way, in the cellar of the Post Convention would be ill-advised if they were to Office in this city. He had passed coffee sacks increase the number of copies. He thought full of them in the mud-holes on the Michigan that the report which proposed to carve out the road, which the stage could not carry away. business of the Convention, should be printed But he had another objection: If these papers and examined with the utmost care. He found were taken and distributed at the expense of the that, in New York, they did not get through State, a paper would be sent to one man to-day, with this report until they had been in session containing a detached portion of the business of some ten days; and than it was some fifteen this body-say the business of one day—and he days afterwards before they proceeded to con- would not get another paper, perhaps, during the sider it. He believed that he should be dispos- session of the Convention, and of course by this ed to favor this report, with one single amend- means alone he could know nothing about the ment, and that was: he thought he should pro-proceedings here. Whereas, if the papers were pose to transfer to a special committee the consideration of the matter of apportionment of representation. He considered this question of apportionment to be one of the most important in the government. But if the printing could be had to-morrow morning he would rather wait. He had great confidence in the select committee; but the report had been drawn up in a hurry. It was a very important report-certainly the most important report which had been made to the Convention; therefore, every man, as he thought, should carefully read and consider it before adopting or deciding upon it. After getting through with the consideration of the report, then he would be in favor of printing more, but now he thought a hundred and fifty copies would suffice.

given to him during the session, at the close he would know something about what had been done; but in the way they were proposing: to send to one man to-day and another to-morrow, and perhaps no one getting more than two or three papers during the session, the knowledge of their proceedings would amount to absolutely nothing. It arrangements could be made to send correct accounts of their proceedings to the various county papers, he thought that might be a better plan. At all events he felt bound to go against this proposition; and he thought it due to himself to say thus much.

Mr. KELSO said, he was desirous that we should get as much information as possible be fore the people; the only question was whether we could get the same amount of valuable information before the people on any cheaper plan than the one proposed. He did not like the proposition so far as it respected those publishers Ordered, That the report lie on the table, and who proposed to furnish only a part of the prothat one hundred and fifty copies be printed forceedings. It occurred to his mind that their pathe use of members.

Mr. READ of Monroe then renewed his motion, which was agreed to, and accordingly it was

pers would be almost entirely useless upon our hands; but there were three papers proposing PUBLICATION OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES. only to publish the debates as prepared by their Mr. MORRISON of Marion, from the select own reporters. He would take only those pacommittee to which had been referred the sub-pers which published the debates as prepared by ject of furnishing newspapers containing the the authorized reporters. proceedings and debates of the Convention, made the following report:

The report was here read by the Secretary. It concluded with recommending the adoption of the following resolution :

Resolved, That the principal Secretary order,

Mr. SHERROD was opposed to the adoption of the resolution as reported. He admitted that the people ought to be furnished with the proceedings of the body, but he was opposed to the plan here proposed. He considered it antiDemocratic; for how could all of their constitu

ents be furnished with these papers? In the district which he had the honor to represent there were three thousand voters. How many of these would he be able to furnish? Last win-lished in the city papers here, the full reports ter he took three papers and distributed them as well as he could among his constituents, and when he returned home they complained that they had scarcely received any papers at all.Besides this, he contended, that if there ever was a deliberative body that should practice economy, it was this body. They should set an example that would last for years to come. He thought the people would be better satisfied with the publication of these reports in the various county papers throughout the State.

State. But need that gentleman be told, that, without the resolution, these country papers could never get those reports? But when pubwould go forth, and copies would be multiplied in every part of the State, so that the people could not but be well informed of all that was done. Their acts should not be kept from the people. They should be spread broad-cast over the land, that every man might see and judge for himself, and judge understandingly. How could he act understandingly unless the light of knowledge be placed before him? But the wonder with him was, how any man here could be so parsimonious as to refuse four thousand dollars for that light. He could not but think that gentlemen would be standing very much in their own light if they refused to support this resolution..

Mr. SHERROD said, he had no wish to continue the debate, but desired merely to reply to a reference which had been made to him. He had remarked that, in his opinion, it would be anti-democratic to support the report of this committee, and he would still contend that it was anti-democratic to tax the many for the benefit of the few.

Mr. MURRAY said, he considered that there had been no period since the adoption of the present Constitution, in which the dissemination of information with respect to the affairs of the State was more imperiously demanded. This information should be sent forth, in order that { they might have the will of the people expressed with regard to their proceedings, in time to direct their action. For when the Constitution should have been perfected, then there would { be but one issue before the people. The work would then have to be either adopted or rejected. { Errors could not be corrected then. But now, whilst the body were in session, if their constituents should be dissatisfied with their action, they would be able to hear from them, and be corrected by them. For this reason, he thought it altogether expedient that they should sending establishments, and he thought that number abroad their daily proceedings as early as pos


Mr. EDMONSTON said, he was in favor of taking the papers, but he thought the number proposed might be reduced to three for the daily papers. That would be eighteen papers weekly for each member from each of the daily publish

would be sufficient. With respect to the distribution of his share, instead of sending to lawyers, and doctors, and leading politicians, as had been intimated, he intended to send his papers to the hard-fisted yeomanry of the country. He would move to strike out "five," wherever it occcurred in relation to the Journal, Sentinel, and Statesman, and insert "three" in lieu thereof.

Mr. READ of Clark said, he was in favor of the amendment. He should have voted, however, for the adoption of the resolution without the amendment, but he would have done so with some objections relative to the amount. Like the gentleman from Orange, he had concluded never to vote for taking the papers in this way, as long as the arrangement of which he complained should be continued in the Post Office Department. But since that difficulty was removed he was ready to support the proposition.

Mr. BASCOM said, that the committee was not a little astonished when they came to look at the cost of publishing the reports in these papers. They had first made their calculation to take ten papers of each publisher for each member; but the cost appeared so great that they were constrained to cut it down to the lowest estimate possible. He was in favor of adopting the resolution, for the reason that the people wanted information of our doings; they wanted knowledge upon every subject likely to be considered here. If it was anti-Democratic to diffuse knowledge among the people, he would renounce the name; if such a thing was going to break down the party, he would not belong to it. But he looked at the matter in a different light. If the people had made any demands of him he was bound to comply; and that he was doing when he supported the report of the com- Mr. SHOUP thought it but right that all the pamittee. The people wanted not only the re- pers in the State should be allowed the same sults of the deliberations here, but they wanted price that was allowed the city papers here for the whys and the wherefores. And if gentle-publishing the proceedings of the Convention. men were diligent in distributing the papers The city publishers had already pledged themproposed to be taken, by the time they were selves in their prospectus that they would pubthrough, he had no doubt that the people would {lish these proceedings-they were obligated to be pretty well informed of our doings. The do so. Where, then, was the propriety of comgentleman from Orange, (Mr. Sherrod,) gaveing in and paying for that service. He would his preference to the plan of publishing our re- move the following amendment to the amendports in the papers generally throughout the ment offered by the gentleman from Dubois

(Mr. Edmonston): to insert in the proper place ture of money would go. If the compensation that all the local press within the State be al-proposed in this amendment of the gentleman lowed the same rates for publishing the pro- from Dubois (Mr. Edmonston) would be sufceedings of the Convention. ficient to remunerate these editors, he would go with him, for it did not curtail the item of composition. He was for acting reasonably in regard to this matter.

Mr. MORRISON of Marion said, that, as chairman of the committee raised under the original resolution, perhaps he might, from his intimacy with the question, be able to give some Let us, said he, calmly and coolly consider information which would be of service to gen- whether it would be doing well by the people tlemen in determining their votes. He would not to furnish them with the proceedings, or say that he was neither anxious nor interested whether it would not be acting the part of demabout the matter, any more than as he consid-agogueism. Would gentlemen say to the peoered it a public duty to give to the people the {ple-"We were so careful of your interest that needed information. If the correspondence sent we were constrained to vote against sendup with the report had been read, the rea-ing you these papers?" He would like to meet sons would have been apparent why the Con- such economists before their constituents in vention should give a considerable amount of any part of the State, for he believed the peomoney to enable these publishers to print the re-ple of Indiana to be a reading and intelligent port of the proceedings of this body. These people. publishers proposed to give detailed reports, literally, of what transpired in this body, on the succeeding day. To do this they would have to fill seven columns of print, of three thousand ems each, in their several papers daily. This amount of labor it was impossible for any set of printers to perform without additional com pensation or subscription. But if the publishers did not proceed to make these detailed reports, he would ask how were the country papers to get hold of correct copies of their doings here? Not a single speech, perhaps, would appear in their columns. They would barely give such an amount of proceedings as would show that the members were here engaged in the performance of their duty. That being the case, the sources of information to the local press would be very limited.

The committee had submitted the project which they thought to be the most feasible. They considered neither the amount of papers too large, nor the price too high. It was precisely such a course as the people of Ohio and Kentucky had pursued, only they carried it to a much greater extent; and was it to be conceded that our people were less liberal or less intelligent than the people of Ohio or Kentucky? Mr. HOVEY said, he was opposed to the resolution and amendment. He represented a county containing about 2,300 voters, and under the resolution before the Convention, the papers that would be given to him for distribution, would scarcely furnish one apiece for his constituents. Such, he thought, would be but poor light to guide them in forming their opinions in regard to the instrument the Convention might frame. Such broken parts of their discussions would have a tendency to mislead rather than

Hence, continued Mr. M., when we pay the city publishers for this amount of printing, we multiply one hundred fold the amount of re-enlighten. He was opposed to the amendment ports of our proceedings here, to be sent to the and resolution for other reasons. A Stenograpapers throughout the State. It had been said that pher to the Convention had been appointed, it was anti-democratic to take the people's money whose duty it was to report their debates in full, to do the people's work. Why no Democrat or and those debates, he understood, were to be Whig in the State would hesitate to do so when published for distribution among the people. it was demanded by the people. The commit-The opinions of members, thus circulated, would tee had not blinked the argument. They be far preferable to the fragments that might thought the enterprize was worth the expense. reach their constituents through the medium of For, what substitute would gentlemen furnish the newspaper press. The gentleman from for the plan of the committee? Would they Marion (Mr. Morrison) had affirmed that opset in, all of them, and write their own reports position to the resolution and amendment in the shape of letters, and send them all over might do well enough for the demagogue the State? Or would they ask the local editors upon the stump, but that it was out of place to send up reporters to do this work! If such here. With due deference to the opinion counsel was followed, upon returning home, of that gentleman, he thought it savored more gentlemen would meet their constituents asking of demagogueism to pay $4,300 of the public them-"what have you been doing!" and they money for the paper and postage mentioned in would have to reply, each for himself-"Why, the report, to be used by delegates for the purdon't you know then I will tell you." And pose of courting political favor at home. If the they would find it a story that would take resolution should be adopted, the wind-work of up a good deal of time. The common cry this Convention, including the Stenographer, would be "They stayed there till they got all stationery, publishing debates, &c., &c., will the pay they could, and then came home with-cost nearly $20,000. He should vote against out doing anything." He was for removing the any proposition of a character similar to that cause for such a cry, as far as this small expendi- now before the Convention.

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Mr. BORDEN said, it struck him that there was a question behind this subject of publishing, which ought to be considered and decided first; and that was the subject of reporting. For if the Convention did not retain the reporters, of course they need have nothing to do with printing the debates. If he understood this matter aright, it was arranged in the Ohio Convention so that the types used for printing the proceedings and debates in the newspapers, were transferred from the columns of the newspaper, to the page of the library edition of the proceedings, which very materially lessened the expense of the volume. But urging, again, that in his opinion the question of reporting should be decided first; he moved that the Convention do now adjourn.

The motion was not agreed to.

So the Convention refused to adjourn.

Mr. KELSO moved to lay the report, resolution, and pending amendments on the table. The motion was agreed to.

Mr. BORDEN moved an adjournment, Which motion was decided in the negative. Mr. MORRISON of Marion, from the select committee appointed to enquire into the practicability of providing a more comfortable and convenient house for the use of the Convention made the following report.

[The report and accompanying correspondence was then read by the Secretary.]

Mr. KELSO moved to lay the report and communications on the table.

The motion was agreed to. Mr. GREGG submitted the following resolution:

Resolved, That a committee of five be appointed to ascertain whether a room can be obtained in the city of Madison, of sufficient capacity to accommodate the sessions of the Convention-and if so, upon what terms-together with such other information on the subject as may be of interest to this body. And that said committee report all the facts in relation thereto, as early as practicable.

The CHAIR appointed the following gentle-
men as members of the committee:
Messrs. Gregg, Bright, Wheeler, Kelso, and

Mr. PEPPER of Crawford submitted the following resolution:

Resolved, That this Convention adjourn sine die on the 7th day of November next.

Mr. CARR of Jackson moved to lay the resolution on the table.

The motion was agreed to.

Mr. SIMS submitted the following resolution. Resolved, That the committee on Legislation be instructed to enquire into the expediency of so amending the Constitution that one branch of the Legislature shall consist of only seventy members, and the other branch, to-wit: the Senate, shall consist of only thirty members.

Mr. MILLER of Gibson moved to lay the resolution of the gentleman from Clinton (Mr. Sims) on the table.

The motion was agreed to.

On motion of Mr. BORDEN the Convention adjourned until to-morning, 9 o'clock.


The Convention met, pursuant to adjournment, and was opened with prayer by the Rev. C. L. Mills.


The journal of the preceding day having been Mr. STEELE submitted the following resolution:

Resolved, That a provision be incorporated in the Constitution of the State of Indiana, to restrict the Indiana Legislature from granting a license to vend spiritous liquors in the State.

And be it further resolved, That a provision be incorporated in the Constitution of the State of Indiana, to instruct our representatives to provide, by law, the right of petition to all white females, of the age of eighteen and upwards, to the Indiana Legislature, for such laws as will Mr. PETTIT offered the following amend- tend to protect their best interests, and that of


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Mr. EDMONSTON moved to lay the resolu tion on the table. The motion was agreed to.

Mr. S. JONES, a delegate from the county of Bartholomew, appeared in the Convention, produced his credentials, and was sworn according to law, by the Hon. HORACE P. BIDDLE, one of the Circuit Judges of the State of Indiana, and took his seat.

Mr. BORDEN submitted the following resolution, which was laid on the table by consent:

Resolved, That the committee on elective franchise inquire into the expediency of providing in the Constitution for the exercise of the right of suffrage, so that in no instance shall the exercise of that right depend upon the nat

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