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Mr. Schumaker-Mr. President, it certainly is a gross violation of privilege for any delegate of this Convention to revise his speech after he delivers it. It is not known to me to be done with the consent of any deliberative body that ever I have been connected with, and they are not a few, unless the member moves for leave to print. If a delegate rises in a deliberative body where there are debates, and does not wish to say anything, but asks leave to print, then it is proper; but you cannot lug in an oration and all that that has not been delivered in the body. In doing so, a man is guilty of something which he ought not to do.
The President - The speech may not be as good as he thought for. (Laughter.)
Mr. Schumaker - That won't do; he has to take it as it comes. He cannot insert the Declaration of Independence and three or four Constitutions of various States and a lot of poetry and all that. He has to give it to the reporter as delivered, and we have to have it as he said it here, or it is not fair as the record of the monks of old.
The President Perhaps Mr. Hamlin can inform the Convention upon the subject. The Chair is under the impression that the standing orders require the stenographer to give this matter to The Argus Company each night.
Mr. Hamlin I think that is so, Mr. President.
The President If so, he should be either compelled to do it, or relinquish it.
Mr. Hamlin But the difficulty arises from the good nature of the stenographer toward the members of this Convention, who are not satisfied with their speeches and desire to revise them.
Mr. Schumaker - That is not fair.
Mr. Hamlin And I think The Argus Company is entirely correct in that particular instance, from the investigations I have made. For instance, this morning I went to the stenographer, and there lay upon his table the proceedings of Saturday morning and Saturday afternoon, which were held for members of this Convention, at their request, for correction. They had either taken a portion of it away, or else it was held for their particular benefit; and, of course, The Argus Company, under such circumstances, is not at all responsible for the delay in putting these Records upon the files of the members. Certainly some resolution should be passed, either asking the stenographer to discontinue this practice, or else that he enforce the rules as they actually exist.
Is there anything in the rules about it?
The President - Mr. Acker has the floor.
Mr. Acker Mr. President, I am sure that all I have said in this Convention will very soon find its way into the waste basket, in some form or other, and, therefore, I move you that the stenographer be asked to present his notes to The Argus Company as required by the former resolutions of this body, and that if any person wishes to revise his speech, he shall do it in time for the stenographer to carry out the former orders of this Convention.
Mr. Schumaker Mr. President, does the gentleman mean to say that a member has the right to revise his speech after he delivers it in this body, without reading it again in this body? Is that the rule of any deliberative body in the world?
Mr. Acker - Mr. President, I do not propose to say any such thing, or to say anything on that subject at all. My only proposition is, that we should have this printing done as we have said we would have it done, or else back down and say something else.
The President - I wish Mr. Acker, or some other gentleman, if he can find the previous order in the Journal, would call it to the attention of the Convention.
Mr. Veeder Mr. President, I submit that the correction or the editing of the debates can be abandoned. Every member of this Convention is invited by the. Compiler, who will issue the official edition of the Debates, to go there or to send to him corrected copies of his speeches or of the arguments made here. Now, I submit, as to substance, my colleague, Mr. Schumaker, is perfectly correct; that gentlemen should not alter, nor should new matter be injected into their remarks, else matters may be talked of here in this Convention ostensibly, and delegates remain in their seats, without making answer thereto, when they may have had complete answers to make. Now, if there is any compiling or correction of these speeches going on, it should not be permitted that any member of the Convention may inject into his speech any new matter.
Mr. McKinstry- Mr. President, I want to say that I do not believe any delegate here has revised a speech so as to put into it anything different from what he said. What they do object to is having matter printed that they never said at all and having it reported entirely different. Stenography is not an exact science; this is a hard room to hear in. I have heard complaints from members here who have spoken and found their words almost reversed or made ridiculous. It seems to me no more than fair, when this matter is going into a permanent record, that the members should be allowed to make typographical and grammatical cor
rections in their speeches. It makes no difference to me; what little I have said I have submitted in manuscript, and they did not get that right, although written very plainly; but the main fault. found here has been by members who have made very careful speeches, and then found the stenographer's report has not been correct, and, I think, they ought to have the opportunity of going into history on exactly what they do say.
Mr. Hottenroth Mr. President, that resolution can be found. on pages 225, 226 and 227 of the Journal.
Mr. Vedder Mr. President, I beg leave to make a suggestion. I suppose all the delegates have received a communication from Mr. Glynn, the Compiler, to the effect that he was revising the debates that have been had here, and asking delegates to look over the debates and see whether or not they desired to make corrections, and that they send the corrections in to him. I do not understand that in permanent form these debates will be as they are printed. here; that the same types are to be employed. These debates, as I understand, when they go into a permanent record, will all be reset, in a different type, and at that time corrections can be made. I would suggest, if that be true, as it seems to be, that these debates be printed, and then members will all have an opportunity to correct them as they go into permanent form. There are not very many mistakes made; some, but not many. They could be corrected before the Compiler puts them into permanent form. Then we can have the debates. I would like to see what members have said the day before, if I can, without criticising their grammar, either.
Mr. Holls — Mr. President, it seems to me that this entire matter is sufficiently covered by the existing rules of the Convention, and I surely bear witness to the fact that the stenographer's report is not accurate, owing, as it is, to the difficulty of hearing in this chamber, and that very often very grave mistakes are made. I think, however, that this discussion and the calling attention to the abuse and delay of this matter, has done good, and I, therefore, believe Mr. McDonough's motion, which was that the communication be received and laid on the table, and which I hold not to be debatable, will now be, it seems, the best possible disposition of the
The President The Chair did not understand Mr. McDonough to make that motion. If you make it, it will be put.
Mr. Alvord Mr. President, I make the motion, in order to get out of this trouble, that this be received, laid upon the table and printed.
The President put the question on the motion of Mr. Alvord that the communication from The Argus Company be received, laid upon the table, and printed, and it was determined in the affirmative.
The President - The Chair has received a communication from Mr. Tucker, stating the fact of his illness, and asking to be excused on that account until Thursday.
The President put the question on the request of Mr. Tucker to be excused, and he was so excused.
The President - The Secretary will call the general orders.
Mr. I. S. Johnson-Mr. President, I offer the following resolution:
The President - If no objection is made, this resolution offered by Mr. Johnson will be received.
The Secretary read the resolution offered by Mr. Johnson, as follows:
R. 179. Resolved, That the Committee on Rules be requested to report an amendment to rule 21, by adding after the word "day," in the sixth line, the following words: "And if not so moved on a second call, it shall go to the foot of the calendar of general orders."
The President - It will be referred to the Committee on Rules. It refers to this habit we have got into of beginning at the beginning and calling them several times.
The Secretary proceeded to call the general orders.
On the calling of general order No. 30 (printed No. 398), introduced by Mr. H. A. Clark, Mr. Hill stated that Mr. Clark was to be absent from the Convention for to-day, and did not wish that general order to be moved.
The Secretary called general order No. 31 (printed No. 399), introduced by Mr. O'Brien, as to suffrage.
The President put the question on going into Committee of the Whole on this general order, and it was determined in the affirmative.
The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole, and Mr. Schumaker took the chair.
The Chairman - The Convention is in Committee of the Whole on general order No. 31 (printed No. 399), introduced by Mr. O'Brien, entitled, "Proposed constitutional amendment to amend section 3 of article 2 of the Constitution, as to suffrage."
The Secretary read the amendment as follows:
Section 3 of article 2 of the Constitution is hereby amended so as to read as follows:
Sec. 3. For the purpose of voting no person shall be deemed to have gained or lost a residence by reason of his presence or absence, while employed in the service of the United States; nor while engaged in the navigation of the waters of this State, or of the United States, or of the high seas; nor while a student of any seminary of learning; nor while kept at any alms-house, or other asylum or institution, wholly or partly supported at public expense, or by charity; nor while confined in any public prison.
Mr. O'Brien - Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the first line. While this proposed amendment bears my name, I do not assume any responsibility for it, nor claim any credit for its paternity. It is really an emanation from the Suffrage Committee, and the intention of the amendment is clearly seen in the portion which is printed in italics, in lines nine and ten, which make the only change from the original section in the Constitution, and it is intended simply to carry out and effectuate the spirit of the section of the present Constitution. It will be seen that no one may gain or lose a residence "while a student of any seminary of learning, nor while kept at any alms-house." Now, we simply extend that a little further, and say that no one shall gain a residence while kept in any institution of a charitable nature.
Mr. C. B. McLaughlin - Will the gentleman permit me to ask him a question? Does such a person now gain a residence?
Mr. O'Brien—I understand that in the Sailors' Snug Harbor, for instance, on Staten Island, in Richmond county, that there are a large number of inhabitants of that institution who now obtain a residence by reason of their living there and being supported at public expense or private expense.
Mr. C. B. McLaughlin-Will the gentleman call the attention of this Convention to some provision or statute by which a person can obtain a residence?
Mr. O'Brien - I know of no such decision, but they vote there and have voted for a long time at all elections. I am told by other members of the Suffrage Committee, who have looked into the matter that there is a decision on that question in the 117th New York. I have no extended remarks to make on this amendment. I think it is one that commends itself to the favorable consideration of the committee. I am ready to answer any question which I am able to answer on the subject.