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Hundreds of millions of feet of the biggest virgin pine in this country has gotten into the hands of the match people, possibly to be cut up for matches. They use two hundred million feet a year for matches, of the big soft white pine, and more than that, in this country. Those people wanted to buy this of us, and so, like anybody else, you know "nature abhors a vacuum," and we didn't want a vacuum in our pocketbook, and we like to get the biggest price we can, and so we sold it to them, took the bad and the good together, and sawed it up for them.

BIG TREES FOR BIG PURPOSES But one thing grinds on my nerves hard, and I have always talked it to our lumber companies, and that is, we should never ask the public to buy a large, old growth-say three or four hundred years old—to be used for something that a younger and more inferior piece of wood will build. I attended in Philadelphia, once, a convention of retail lumbermen, and they asked me for a little off-hand speech. I just happened in, and they spotted me and asked me for a little talk; and I got up and said, "Gentlemen, one of the hard things that we are called upon to do is to manufacture grades to accommodate the widths and the lengths and the qualities of the lumber you demand; you should educate your customers to take narrower and shorter boards and inferior qualities, where they can be used, instead of the long lengths and the wide widths, much of which will be cut down later, and the qualities that you demand.”

One gentleman in the party jumped to his feet and said, “I don't agree with Mr. Sykes. When a customer comes in my yard and wants lumber I give him what he wants and charge him the price for it accordingly.” He said, "A man came in my yard and wanted a wagon-load of boards about 16 inches wide, and I handled over a carload of stuff to get them and charged him a good price for the stuff; and he said he ripped it up for clothesline poles for holding up clotheslines, and that he wanted to make just so many cuts of a certain width of board to make those poles.” (Laughter.) Now he thought that was the thing to do, although he could have used narrower widths just as well. But that's the way it goes.

Now I think, in this age of conservation—I am going to hit some of our brethren in the papermill business hard now,--it is wicked to take a big tree, big enough to make into an aeroplane to fly over Berlin with, and make it into pulpwood to make yellow journals of! (Laughter and applause.)

SHOULD TRY OUT EXOTICS PROFESSOR HOSMER: As to exotics and the use of inferior species, I agree, on general principles, with Professor Toumey in believing that the native tree is the tree to use in reforesting, and that you get better results, in the long run, with it; but at the same time I want to make a plea for the use of certain exotics in restricted localities. It is axiomatic that, to have a tree grow successfully in a certain location, the climatic conditions there must correspond with those in the place where the tree originally came from. Anybody who understands tree introduction work knows that one reason why the western trees do not grow here in the east is because the climatic conditions are not the same as where the trees come from. In New England, for instance, climatic conditions are different from what they are in the Pacific Northwest.

Now the point I want to make is that it is just as well to have a second string to one's bow, and, with the coming scarcity of timber, I believe there will be use even for inferior trees, some for matches to light cigarettes with, for instance. It seems to me that we should thoroughly try out the different exotic trees which give promise of being successful for certain types and certain sites. The little experiment at Axton is certainly interesting. Fifteen years so so after Dr. Fernow planted those trees we are now having a chance to see what they are doing.

I would urge that we have more sample plots all through the northern forest, ard, as a part of that work, that we ought to try out new species. Not with the idea that they will take the place of the native trees, but rather that by such experiments we may perhaps find certain exotic species v hich could be used in areas where the native trees will not grow to the best advantage.

FRCFESSOR TOUMEY: I did not want to give the impression that we could not or should not plant any trees here but pine and spruce. What I meant to convey was that in this big scheme for growing timber for future use the exotic trees are going to be so insignificant that as far as big, extensive areas of reforestation are concerned, they had better be ignored.

THE PRESIDENT: It is rather of an innovation to interrupt our program, but we are confronted by a condition which demands heroic treatment here. The Chairman of the Committee on Resolutions informs me he has written the proposed resolutions in lead pencil and that unless he reads them now he won't be able to read them later at all! (Laughtcr.) So we are going to interpolate our resolutions right now and then continue our discussion of the subject.

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MR. VIRGIL K. KELLOGG: Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen of the

Charged thereto by the other members of the
Committee on I esolutions, I hereby respectfully report as fol-

"The Empire State Forest Products Association, in its Annual Convention assembled, hereby

1. That this Association assumes the position of thorough support of our national government in the great struggle in which it is now engaged for the perpetuation of Democracy and of human freedom, and we assert for it the right to appropriate all of the necessary resources of the nation, in money, property and men, that the war may be prosecuted to absolute victory, speedily, if possible, but surely and ultimately in any event, and regardless of cost or

We are proud that the men who are engaged in the industries represented in this association and in the lumber and paper trade of the State of New York, have responded so generously and have so unselfishly dedicated their property and their lives and so willingly sacrificed their comforts and that of their families, to promote the triumph and success of our nation in its great undertaking.

In the general prosperity of the country our industries have had their share, for which we are not ungrateful

. Nevertheless, we are stirred to awe by the contempletion of the awful conditions that confront t's and by the responsibilities which we are under

We desire to commend the activity of the Conservation Commission of the State of New York. We recognize the many emment, and we pledge our utmost aid to the intelligent solution of the many problems which are necessary to be solved in the sucessful operation of that branch of the State Government.

5. Always the great question confronting this Association and every person interested in its industries, as well as those who love the forests for their own sake, is how the forests and forest lands of the State can be so administered, governed and controlled, as to make the utmost contribution to the velfare of all of the people. Upon this suhject the views of the residents of the State seem to




to the nation.


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