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Mr. Pitt moved another clause, the object found. He stated a circumstance, that when of which was to make the service in the they were put aside by junior officers being militia to be in future for Five instead of raised above them, they were not admitted THREE years; at the expiration of which to that pay to which their situation justly incinc all who served lor themselves should titled them. For as such Captains were never be intitled to their discharge; but those who known to serve, they should be put upon the acted as substitutes should be compellable in fuperannuated list of Admirals, but instead time of war, rebrllion, or insurrection, 10 of this they had only their hall-pay. This serve to the end of such war, &c. On this was ill-trcacing a description of men that clause the Committee divided, when there delcrved better treatment from their cousappeared,

try. And for what? he asked. For fightirg Ayes

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the nation. To them they were indebted for Majority 40 the places they (the Members) then poflefied. A third clause was ihen moved for com- Ile then read a memorial from a Capt. Bropelling officers in the milicia ( SWEAR to die, who had been at the taking of several the qualifications they deliver in ; but re. placrs in the wars before last ; had taken jected on the principle, that men whom himself several vessels, and some of superior HONOUR would not bind, could not be force; had loft an arm in the service; and bound by an oath ; and such oughe not to be yet he as not thought a proper object to be admitted into an honourable service. put on the superannuated lit. After reading

An altercation afocrwards took place be this memorial, he made two motions to the tween Mr. Pite and Mr. Sheridan, concerning following purport : the mode adopied in the enforcing of the That an humble Address might be prelentlaw; when, after proceeding through various ed to his Majesty, praying to admit that fach other clauses, Mr. Pitt, from a perfuafion Captains as were ihen put aside, might be that the business could not be finally adjusted placed on the faid lift. The otber motioa that evening, moved, that it be postponed till was to raise the half-pay of the other Cap Tuesday next, and that the Chairman report tains from eight 4p ten shillings per day. progress, and alk leave to fit again, which Caprain Luttrell observed there were great was agreed to.

objects to be done for the improvement of MAY 11.

the navy, which, he said, should be fub Mr. Jolliffe moved, That a Committee mitted to the consideration of the noble might be appointed for the purpose of en- Lord (Lord Howe) who had the controul of quiring into the necesity and expediency of this department; and he trufted, from his purchasing the house lately belonging to Sir being himself an officer, and his great abili. Robert Barker, for the purpose of converting ties and experience in the profeflion, that he it into offices for the Adiniralıy.

would fee great and esential regulations Lord Surrey seconded the motion. adopred.

Lord Newhaven thought the motion was Captain Bow yer had no objection against exceedingly necessary. He had examined the admitting of lo gallant and deserving an the ground, and he was assured the whole officer às Captain Brodie to be pat upon the expence of creating the intended offices superannuated lift ; all his objection was, that would not amount to more than five thou- it inight be a precedent for a very impolitic sand pounds. Two thousand pounds, he faid, innovation. was the purchase of the ground and dwella Mr. Pitt agreed with what the Right ing, and ihree thousand pourds would be Hon. Gentleman had observed, and open the whole expence of converting it into the this principle moved the order of the day. intended offices. He therefore thou he it Sir John Jarvis and Mr. Sheridan fpoke extremely necessary that a Committee Thould in favour of the motion, and Mr. Pile rebe appointed, in order to enquire into the plied. Teason of such an estimate being inade as After a further debate between Admini had been laid before the House, viz. 13,000l. Hood, Mr. Sheridan, Captain Macbride, ang for the purpolc.

the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the quelo Mr. Breit urged the necesitv, from the tion was put, and the House divided, Situation of the now exitting offi. s.

For the motion
After a further short conversation between Against it
Mr. Breit, Lord Newhaven, and Mr. Jolliffe,

Majority -24 the qucftion was put, and tbc House divided. The order of the day for the attendance ef The numbers were,

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the charge delivered in on Monday laft by Majority -47 Mr. Burke. -Minutes read, and ordered to Captain Macbride inen rose to make a be printed. motion respecting the Captains of the Navy. Capt. Jacques was then called to the ba He said they were in a fituation in which no and examined. His examination continged other public description of men could be uasil near nine o'clock, in the courk of

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which objections and replies were made to 25,000l. be granted for carrying on the almost every question, and the witness was building at Somerset House. continually obliged to withdraw. The Cape That 13000l. be granted for supporting tain's evidence being closed, Mr. Burke de the Alrican settlemenis. clared he should not trouble the House at Thal 1681). 183. 4d. be granted for depresent with any further exaininations. A

fraying the extra-cxpences of prosecuting considerable time was then employed by Mr. offenders against the laws rela:ing to coin. Burke and the clerks as the table in selecting That 14.9391. be granted for defraying the passages from India papers.

extra-expences of the Mivt in 1785. Alter which Major Scott informed the That 41061. be granted as a compensation House, that as several witncllc> were directe to Joseph Lodin Maevoir for his lors by the ed to attend the Houfc, by the desire of Mr. seizure of his thip in 1776, by Governor Burke, and that gentleman had not thought Macnamara. proper to call them to the bar, he apprehend- That 127,1381. be granted to his Majesty ed any Member might call such witnesses to to make good the deficiency on grants of last any point that might appear necessary to fa. year. tisty the House as to the guilt or innocence of The House h ving proceedid to take into Mr. Hastings. Mr. Burke gave his assent, confideration che report on the Sinking Fund and Major Balfour was called to the bar.

bill, As this evideuce feemid to give rather a Mr. Pulteney said, he had a clause to pronew turn to the conduct of Mr. Hastings, we pose, which would render ii very difficult for fhall, with Atrict impartiality, give the sub- future Parliaments to descat the operation of Atance of the leading part of his evidence as the bill; for it would make it necessary that follows:

they should give thole occasional directions to That he had resided in India upwards of the Commiflioners, relative to the redemp-' 20 years, and was in the country of the Ro. tion of capital fock above par, witbout hillas at the time of the war; that he did not which they could not under the laws now know of any wanton cruellies in the conduct in existence redeem any such stock. The of chal war; that when the army tirit arrived clause was, that in cale' Parliament should several villages were deserted, and some neglect for a certain time to give those dis outrages might have been committed, but rections, the Commissioners should be emthat he did not know of any town or village powered to redeem Itock above par, without that was destroyed ; that at the first alarin any directions. As the redemption must take the husmandmen and manufacturers flew on place in fuch a cale, at a great lofs to the all kides from their dwellings, but after the public, it was reasonable to presume that defeat of the Robillas and the death of their chis clause would compel Ministers to proGeneral, the Nabob Vizier iffudd general pole, as occasion should require, that the orders to protect the natives, and accordingly proper directions hould from time to time they returned to their habitations; that by be given to the Commissioners. He then the treaty of peace which followed that war, moved for leave to bring up the clause, it was stipulated that the Robiilas Thould which was granted; and, after having been leave the country and croisthe Ganges, which twice road, it was admitted into the bill. was accordingly done cy about 4 ».000 of Mr. Fox then propoled another clausen them, including women and children ; that

that the Commissioners might be they were not moleited in their retreat ; and permitted to subscribe fuch money as lhould that the country of Rohilound, wien he be in their hands to any future loan. This marched back, was in as good a state of cul. he thought would be one way of preventing tivation as when they entered it. These are any future Ministers from diverting this the striking features of Major Ballour's evi- hinking fund in time of war from the pure dence.

poles for which it was now going to be inMAY 12.

iticuted, as they would have the full benefit A motion was made, and the question of this money in the loan; and the public proposed, that the Seamen's bill be now read would be equally benefited, inasmuch as a second time. An amendment was proposed this mode would keep down pro tanto the to leave out now, and intert this day cree accuinulation of the national debt. By bormonths. The question was put, that now Towing from ourselves we could always borfand part of the mouion. The House divi- row on better terms than from others; and ded, Ayes, 23; Noes, 89. The main ques. we should be able to make a better bargain, tion was pui, and agrad 10.

inalmuch as the loan would be leis by to In a'Committee on ways and means, re- muchi, ihan if ihc Commissioners were presoived that 1.500,000l. be raised by Exche- cluded from fubscribing. If a bonus was quer bills, to be charged on the firit aids in given upon a loan, then the public would ine next fellion.

save as much upon it as would be due on the That 1,000,000l. be raised in the same fum fubfcribed by the Commissioners. But manner.

it was always to be underltood, that though In a Committee of Supply, resulved that tbe public thould be the lender on those oc

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casions, a fund should be established to pay Gentleman had said, that in the last year the the intereft of what should be tbus advanced. land and malt taxes had produced 2,850,000l.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, he now he wished to know upon what authofelt very great pleasure in having it in his rity he had made such an affertioo. It was power io concur with the right honourable well known that the assessment of the land Gentleman; it was not often he could enjoy tax amounted to no more, including Scotit; but the pleasure was the greater on that land, than two millions thirty-sever chaufard account. The clause met his entire approba pounds; the lixpenny duty being dedu&cd out tion, and he hoped that the unanimity which of that sum, there remained only 1,982,000l. animated all parties, however differing on net money paid into the Exchequer; the other points, in approving the principle of deficiencies on the mall-tax were propor. the bill, would be a kind of pledge, that tionably grcater; and therefore he was sure it would be held as sacred by posterity as it pvised how the two taxes together could have was by the present generation, when there produced 2,850,000l. If lo large a luin was appeared no other emulation among the most actually paid within the ycar, he was condiscordant parties than who should be moft vinced that part of it must bave been ao ar. forward to support the public credit. The

rear of a foriner year. clause was then brought up and agreed to. Mr. Grenville replied, that when he stated

- Mr. Dempster moved several clauses, which that the land and malt taxes had produced were rejected : one of them was for enacting 2,850,000l. he did not mean to be understood a declaration, that the new Sinking Fund was to bold out an opinion, that such would proof right the property of the public creditors, bably be in future the annual produce of the and ought to stand pledged as an additional tax on land and male ; on the contrary, the fecurity to them for the payment of the prin- report of the Committee of Accounts, on cipal and interest on their debt. The object which the bill was founded, ftated the area of this clause was to put it out of the power rage produce of land and malt at 2,609,0001. of future Parliaments io divert this fund from a year : and his only reason for saying that the purpose of its eftablishment without a these two objects had produced in one year violation of public faith, which would be 2,850,000l. was, that an houourable Mem. thus pledged to the creditors.

ber (Mr. Sheridan) bad in a speech on the The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that report of that Commitice, allerted, that the clause would amount at molt to a decla- whenever the a&ual produce of one year was ration of the opinion of the present Parlia. unfavourable to the idea of a Sinking Fund, ment, and could not be binding on its suc- then the Committee took the average procestors. The quiltion was then put on the duce; and that on the other hand, when the motion for bringing up this clause, which actual produce was more favourable, then was negatived by a majority of 104. the average produce was overlooked, and Ayes 5

the inferences of the Committee were built The House then ordered the bill with its on the former. In reply to that charge of the amendments to be engrossed.

Hon. Gentleman, he had taken the liberty to MAY 15:

itate, that if it had been well founded, the Several orders of the day were deferred. Committee wouid bave taken the land and

The order for a ballot on the Kirkwall malt taxes at 2 850,000l. which they had Election petition, which stood for the 23d actually produced in one year; but inftead, intt. was, on the motion of Sir John Sinclair, of that, the Committee taking the average, discharged, and a new order made for a bal though unfavourable to the object which the loc un the same petition, on the 35th inft. Hon. Gentleman supposed thein to have had The order for the Carlisle ballot was also in view, eltimated the annual produce at discharged, and a new one made for the 234 2,600, nool. only. The Hoo, Baroner, he inst. on the motion of Lord Surrey,

faid, was not wrong in his opinion, that The order for bringing in the bill in favour when the receipt amounted to 2,850,oorl. of the captors of St. Eustatius, was discharge there mull have been paid in some at rear of a ed; and another was passed in its stead, former ycar: 1: at certainly was the case in enlarging the grounds on which the bill is to latt year's; at the same rime he begzod it be framed, and laking in the dependencies might be understood, that this sumn was the of St. Eustatius, which were not included in gross produce of the land and malt taxes, and the former order, and to which the framers not the net produce over and above all de of the bill could not extend it under the for- ductions for óxpenny duties, feis. &c. mer order

Sir Grey Cooper observed, tbat the Right The order of the day for the third reading Hon. Genileman had nv adhered to the old of the Sinking Fund bill having been moved, mode of making up accounts in the Treasury

Sir Grey Cooper faid, he wilhed lo lake Office. notice of an expression that had fallen from a Mr. Grenville replied, that whether he had Righi Hon. Gentleman (Mr. W. Grenville), adhered to or deviated from the old mode, before the Houfe had resolved itself into a was not in this case of the least consequence, Çomn:ittee on that bill, The Right Hon. a$ it could not aher a matier of fac?; and he

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Ain Aated it as a fa&, that the gross produce of the House any plan, the adoption of which of the Land and Malt taxes had amounted in hư conceived it had already reprobated. the last year to 2,850,000l.

With respect to the plan of fortifications, he Sir James Erskine said he had a clause to by no means considered the late division of add, by way of rider to the bill, to which be the House as going the full length of wholly prefumed there could be no obje&ion. The setting aside cvery scheme of this naturc. object of it was to enable the Commissioners Gentlemen had entertained a variety of to buy up Navy bills or Ordnance deben- sentiment with respect to the estimates ures.' This, he observed, would be a great which had been given in, and the fortificasaving to the publick, and kecp up the na- tions proposed; but all secmed to agree, tional credit, by preventing the extraordi- that the fortification of our Dock-Yards was nary discount on those bills and debentures in absolutely necessary. The old works which time of war.

had been created for that purpose, were either Sir James was proceeding, when the fallen into difrepair, or, if put on their for. Speaker interrupted him, to iell him that, mer footing, were inadequate to the end for in bis opinion, the clause was not admissible; which they were intended. It was therefore for the Commissioners under this bill could necessary that they should be put as soon as not buy up any debt, for which the Sinking possible on a respectable footing, and that new Fund was not pledged or mortgaged as an works should be immediately erected for the additional security, which was not the case purposes of security. It had been his intenwith respect to Navy or Ordnance debts. tion, on a former occahon, to have forti

Mr. Sheridan observed, that she same rea- fied the Ifland in such a manner, and on lo fon might have been urged with equal pro- extensive a fcale, that in the event of hostility priety against the clause proposed lait Friday the nation might have been enabled to have by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Fox) for em- carried on a war with greater freedom, and powering the Commisioners to subscribe to with more effcct than ever it had done. Van fuiure loans, for the re-payment of which rious schemes of fortification had been pro. the Sinking Fund was not now pledged or posed for that purpose. But in his general mortgag d.

view he had been thwarted. The negative, The Speaker replied, that under thar clause however, which the Houle had given to the the Commiflioners could not subscribe to any proposition on that occafion, did not go in new loan, for the re-payment of which the the length of rejetting all schemes of fortiticaSinking Fund should not have been pledged, cion whatever. The House had not decided, as one of the previous conditions of the loan. in every inftarce, against the demolition of Sir James Erfkine said he would acquiesce

old works or the erection of new ones. In in the opinion of the chair, and therefore this confidence he should move, “ That an would not press his clause.

cltimate of the expence of such parts of the The bill was then read a third time, and plan of fortifications, which the land ofhcers passed nem, con.

of the late Board reported to his Majelty Mr. Wilberforce moved, That the House would give a reasonable degree of security for seíolve i: self into a Cominiitee on the County the dock-yards at Portsmouth and Piymouth, Election bill brought in by Lord Mahon, as appear most necessary to be carried into pow Earl Stanhope, for the better regulation immediate execution, specifying such fums of elections of members to serve in Parlia- for each work as can be conveniently employ. inent for Counties.

ed in the year 1786 towards their compleMr. Grenville opposed it.

tion, be referred to a Committee of Supply." A short couverlation then took piace, in The total for the old works which Sir Joseph Mawbey, Mr. Powys, and at Portsmouth were estiseveral others, borc a pari : the question was mated at

£. 129,140 9:01 at length carried by a majority of 76 ; after The total for new at ditto 139,270 13 11 which the Speaker left ihe chair, and the House resolving itself into a Committee, the In all

£. 268,411 3 91 bill was read, and several amendments made in it. The House then resumed, and after. The total for the old works wards adjourned.

at Plymouth would do MAY 16.

£: 8.522 6 51

Total for new at dito, at 119,588 5 5 The bill for repealing several of the refrictive clauses in the Hawkers and Pedlers

In all bill, was, after some debate, on a motion

£. 128,110 11 101 made by Mr. Popham, and seconded by Sir

The total therefore for old and Edward Astley, rejected, the numbers being against the bill 99, for it 49.

new works would be £. 396,521 45 8

To carry into execution this object, it was MAY 17.

proposed that this year the sum for old and The Chancellor of the Exchequer did not new works at Portsmouth of 48,5581. 195. rise with an intention to press on the notice 2d. Thould be expended; and that for old

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and new works at Plymouth, the fum of pleased to order an climate to be laid before 24,7731. 155. 5 d. should be employed; lo ihe House of the repairs nccellary for lze that the whole of the annual expenditure of old works at Portsinouth and Piymouth. 1786, on the fortifications proposed, exclu- The motion was agreed to. iwe of the purchase of land, amounting to

MAY 18. 25,6931. 45. 1.. would not exceed 63,3321. The order of the day was read for going 145. 7 d. Some parts of the plan contained into the confideration of the report of the in the efimate had been formerly proposed Committee concerning the alteration of the as matter of argency. Other parts had not, names of a List of Commissioners for the and it would remain with the House whe. Land-tax in the Engrossing-Office. 'ther they should be adopted. On the whole, Mr. Mortlock being then called, was he begged leave to submit the motion he asked what he had to say in his own defence. had niade to the confideration of the House; Hc bowed, but made 'no reply. He was which being seconded,

theo delired to withdraw. Mr. Ballard contended, that the House A short conversation immediately took ought not to countenance a measure which place on the form of procedure. it had reprobated. The Right Hon. Gen- Mr. Dempster, Mr. Alderman Sawbridge, tleman oppohte (Mr. Pict) uad been used and others, treated the matter as altogether with moderation when the question was for. trivial and unimportant, and that it was an merly agitated; but that moderation hc had improper use of the time of ibe House to. abused. The soldier who had brought the take any further notice of the matter. treasure he found to the Roman Emperor, Lord Mulgrave then moved that the mathad been desired by him to use it; but the ter be recommitted, which occasioned a treasure of moderation which the Right very long uninteresting discussion of the Hon. Gentleman had carried to the Maiter- question, whether the report of the ComGeneral of the Ordnance, he had been ad- mittee was a fufficient ground on which for vifed by himn to abuse. He considered the the House to proceed. motion as a secret attack on the declared The question being then put for the reIcntinents of the House. The pill which commitment, there appeared had been formerly pretented was too hard

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Noes 81 to be swallowed, and was now pounded, Mr. Drake, the moment after this divi that it might go down with the greater case. fion, moved, That the fubje& should be reThe fpirit ot the Mailer-General of the Ord- fened to a Committee of the whole llousc. Dance had migrated into that House, and This, like the former, produced much coocould not too ioon be expelled from it. versation. But on the question being put in

Mr. Fax opposed the motion on the fol. the words moved by Mr. Drake, there were Jowing grounds, viz. that it would lead the

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Noes 78 Committee into discussions, which, as they Lord Surrey ihen rose to make his prorelated to profufional objects, and the de. miled motion for an equal representation of sence of the nation, belongid more especially the people. He lated the importance of this in a licret cabinet; that the present estimate great queftion in a conftitutional point of was founded on the DATA of the Board of view. It was the only mecium through Offiuers, which DATA the Honfe had repro- which the people of England had any direct baied; and that on this account the revival share in the government. He owned bringof a quellion fo grounded, and which had ing on the question was liable to this objecbecu negatived, was an affront to the House. tion, that the sense of the House had already

Hie hoped that the Right Hon. Gentleman decided against him. He mentioned several would in future pay more respect to the opi- circumstances, however, which in his opie lisen of the Houte, and not attempt to force pion was a fuffcient answer to this obje&ion. an obnoxious incalure on the country. He He called the attention of the House lo levelikewise hoped every gentleman would con- ral points, which he thought of mech conceite, i hai che plan was totally reprobated, fcquence on the subject, and moved that a confequently that it could never again be Committee be appointed for inquiring into propofid io Parliament.

the prelent ftate of the representation of the Nr. Dundas observed, that the approba- Commons of Great-Britain. tion of the Board of Officers was surely no Mr. Sheridan seconded the motion. disparagement to the ettimate. He would Mr. Martin and Mr. Sheridan iben faid arvite inc House in think of doing some. each of them a few words in !upport of the thing in the ume ol prace ; for if they were motion, when the gallery was oracred to be called io fortify in line of war, they would cleared, and the queifton put. For Lord act ir in panic, and would do things more Suncy's motion, expensively than in cooler moments.

Ayes 64 It was agreed that the motion Ihould be In a Committee a conversation took place withdrawn.

concerning the further proceeding in the Mr. Roile then moved, That an humble proficution of Mr. Haffings. Address be presented in his Majetty, pray- Mr. Burke agreed that the further discus. 11g: thüt his Majesty would be graciously Gon of the question relative to the manner

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