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casions, a fund should he established to pay Gentleman had said, that in the last year the the interest of what should be thus advanced. land and malt taxes had produced 2,850,000).

The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, he now he wilhed to know upon what authofelt very great pleasure in having it in his rity he had made such an aliertion. It was power to concur with the right honourable well known that the allellment of the land Gentleman ; it was not often he could enjoy tax amounted to no more, including Scotit; but the pleasure was the greater on that land, than twv millions thirty-seven thousand account. The clause met his entire approba- pounds; the sixpenny duty being dedu&cd out tion, and he hoped that the unanimity which of that sum, there remained only 1,982,000l. animated all parties, however differing on net money paid into the Exchequer; the other points, in approving the principle of deficiencies on the mali-lax were propor. the bill, would be a kind of pledge, that tionably grcaier; and therefore he was sure it would be held as sacred by posterity as it prised how the two taxes together could have was by the present generation, when there produced 2,850,0vol. If so large a sum was appeared no other emulation among the most actually paid within the year, he was cosa discordant parties than who should be most vinced that part of it must bave been an ar. forward to support the public credit. The rear of a former year. clause was then brought up and agreed to. Mr. Grenville replied, that when he stated

· Mr. Dempster moved several clauses, which that the land and malt taxes had produced were rejected : one of them was for enacting 2,850,000l. he did not mean to be understood a declaration, that the new Sinking Fund was to hold out an opinion, that such would proof right the property of the public creditors, bably be in future the annual produce of the and ought to stand pledged as an additional tax on land and malt; on the contrary, the fecurity to them for the payment of the prin- report of the Committee of Accounts, on cipal and interest on their debt. The object which the bill was founded, ftated the areof this clause was to put it out of the power rage produce of land and malt at 2,607,000). of future Parliaments to divert this fund from a year: and his only reason for saying that the purpose of its eftablishment without a these two objects had produced in one year violation of public faith, which would be 2,850,000l. was, chat an honourable Mem. thus pledged to the creditors.

ber (Mr. Sheridan) had in a specch on the The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that report of that Committee, allerted, that the clause would amount at most to a decla- whenever the a&ual produce of one year was ration of the opinion of the present Parlia. unfavourable to the idea of a Sinking Fund, ment, and could not be binding on its suc. then the Committee took the average proceflors. The question was then put on the duce; and that on the other hand, when the motion for bringing up this clause, which actual produce was more favourable, then was negatived by a majority of 104. the average produce was overlooked, and Ayes 5

the inferences of the Committee were built The House then ordered the bill with its on the former. lo reply to that charge of the amendments to be engrossed.

Hon. Gentleman, he had taken the liberty to

ftate, that if it had been well founded, the Several orders of the day were deferred. Committee wouid bave taken the land and

The order for a ballot on the Kirkwall malt taxes ab 2 850,000l, which ibey had Election petition, which dood for the 23d actually produced in one year; but instead, iott. was, on the motion of Sir John Sinclair, of that, the Committee taking the average, discharged, and a new order made for a balo though unfavourable to the object which the lot on the same petition, on the 25th inst. Hon. Gentleman supposed them to have had The order for the Carlisle ballot was also in view, eltimated ihe annual produce at discharged, and a new one made for the 23d 2,600,oool. only. The Hon. Baronet, be inst. on the motion of Lord Surrey.

faid, was not wrong in his opinion, that The order for bringing in the bill in favour when the receipt amounted to 3,850,00rl. of the captors of St. Eustatius, was discharge there iuit have been paid in some aricar of a ed; and another was passed in its fead, former year: l' at ceriainly was the case in enlarging the grounds on which the bill is to lait ycar's ; at the same time he begged in be framed, and iskilig in the dependencies might be understood, that this fum was the of St. Eustatius, which were not included in gross produce of the land and malt taxes, and the former order, and to which the framers not the net produce over and above all deof the bill could not extend it under the for- ductions for lixpenny duties, feis. &c. mer order,

Sir Grey Cooper ebrierved, ibat ihe Right The order of the day for the third reading Hon. Gentleman had n adhered to the old of the Sinking Fund bill having been moved, mode of making up accounts in the Treasury

Sir Grey Cooper faid, he wilhed lo lake Office. notice of an expresion that had fallen from a Mr. Grenville replied, that whether he had Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. W. Grenville), adhered to or deviated 'rom the old mode, before the House had resolved itself into a was not in this case of the Icait consequenre, Committee on that bill. The Right Hon, as it could not alles a maticr of fad; and be

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Atill Aated it as a fact, that the gross produce of the House any plan, the adoption of which of the Land and Malt taxes had amounted in he conceived it had already reprobated. the last year to 2,850,000l.

With respect to the plan of fortifications, he Sir James Erskine said he had a clause to by no means considered the late division of add, by way of rider to che bill, to which be the House as going the full length of wholly presumed there could be no obje&tion. The setting aside cuery scheme of this nature. object of it was to enable the Commissioners Gentlemen had entertained a variety of to buy up Navy bills or Ordnance deben- sentiment with respect to the estimates tu res.' This, he observed, would be a great which had been given in, and the fortificasaving to the publick, and kecp up the na- tions proposed ; but all seemed to agree, tional credit, by preventing the extraordin that the fortification of our Dock-Yards was nary discount on those bills and debentures in absolutely necessary. The old works which time of war.

had been created for that purpose, were either Sir James was proceeding, when the fallen into disrepair, or, ir put on their for. Speaker interrupted him, to iell him that, mer footing, were inadequate to the end for in bis opinion, the clause was not ad unifsible; which they were intended. It was therefore for the Commissioners under this bill could necessary that ihey thould be put as soon as not buy up any debt, for which the Sinking possible on a respectable footing, and that new Fund was not pledged or mortgaged as an works should be immediately crected for the additional security, which was not the case purposes of security. It had been his intenwith respect to Navy er Ordnance debis. tion, on a former occalion, to have forti

Mr. Sheridan observed, that the same rea- fied the Island in such a manner, and on lo fon might have been urged with equal pro. extensive a scale, that in the event of hoitility priety against the clause proposed lait Friday the nation might have been enabled to have by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Fox) for em- carried on a war with greater freedom, and powering the Commisioners to subscribe to with more effect than ever it had done. Van future loans, for the re-payment of which rious schemes of fortification had been pros the Sinking Fund was not now pledged or posed for that purpose. But in his general mortgag d.

view he had been thwarted. The negative, The Speaker replied, that under that clause however, which the Houle had given to the the Commissioners could not subscribe to any propoktion on that occafion, did not go io new loan, for the re-payment of which the the length of rejecting all schemes of fortificaSinking Fund should not have been pledged, rion whatever. The House had not decided, as one of the previous conditions of the loan. in every inftarce, against the demolition of : Sir James Erskine said he would acquiesce old works or the erection of new ones. In in the opinion of the chair, and therefore this confidence he thould move, " That an would not press his clause.

cltimate of the expence of such parts of the The bill was then read a third time, and plan of fortifications, which the land officers passed nem. con.

of the late Board reported to his Majetty Mr. Wilberforce moved, that the House would give a reasonable degree of security for sesolve i:self into a Committee on the County the dock-yards at Portsinouch and Plymouth, Election bill brought in by Lord Mahon, as appear molt necessary to be carried into now Earl Stanhope, for the better regulation immediate execution, specifying such fums of elections of members to serve in Parlia- for each work as can be conveniently employe inent for Counties.

ed in the year 1786 towards their compleMr. Grenville opposed it.

tion, be referred to a Committee of Supply." A short couvertation then took piace, in The total for the old works which Sir Joseph Mawbey, Mr. Powys, and at Portsmouth were eiti several others, borc a pari : the question was mated at - £. 129,140 9105 at length carried by a majority of 76 ; after The total for new at ditto 139,270 13 11 which the Speaker left the chair, and the House resolving itself into a Committee, the In all

£. 268,411 3 91 bill was read, and several amendments made in it. The House then resumed, and after The total for the old works wards adjourned.

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£. 8.522 6 51 The bill for repealing several of the re. Total for new at dito, at 119,588 Ś Ś frictive clauses in the Hawkers and Pedlers

In all bill, was, after some debate, on a motion

£. 128,110 11 101 made by Mr. Popham, and seconded by Sir

The total therefore for old and Edward Astley, rejected, the numbers being againīt the bill 99, for it

new works would be £: 396,521 45 8 49.

To carry into execution this object, it was

proposed that this year the sum for old and The Chancellor of the Exchequer did not new works at Portsmouth of 48,5581. 195. rise with an intention to press on the notice 2d. Thould be expended; and that for old


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and new works at Plymouth, the sum of pleased 10 order an climate to be laid before 34,7731. 158. 5 d. should be employed ; lo the House of the repairs necessary for Lize that the whole of the annual expenditure of old works at Portlinouth and Piymouth. 3786, on the fortifications proposed, exclu. The motion was agreed to. swe of the purchase of land, amounting to

MAY 18. 25,6931.4s. 1 d. would not exceed 63,332). The order of the day was read for going 145. 74d.--Some parts of the plan contained into the consideration of the report of the in the estimate had been formerly proposed Committee concerning the alteration of the as matter of ergency, Other parts had not, names of a List of Commissioners for the and it would remain with the House whe. Land-tax in the Engrossing-Office. "ther they should be adopied. On the whole, Mr. Mortlock being then called, was ke begged leave to submit the motion he asked what he had to say in his own defence. had niade to the confideration of the House ; Hc bowed, but made no reply. He was which being seconded,

theo delired to withdraw. Mr. Ballard contended, that the House A short conversation immediately took ought not to countenance a measure which place on the form of procedure. it had reprobated. The Right Hon. Gen- Mr. Dempster, Mr. Alderman Sawbridge, uleman oppolice (Mr. Pict) oud been used and others, treated the matter as altogether with moderation when the question was for- trivial and unimportant, and that it was an merly agitated ; but that moderation he had improper use of the time of ibe House to abused. The soldier who had brought the take any further notice of the matter. freasure he tound to the Roman Emperor, Lord Mulgrave then moved that the mat. had been desired by him to use it; but the ter bc recommitted, which occasioned a treasure of moderation which the Right very long uninterefing discussion of the Hon. Gentleman had carried to the Master- question, whether the report of the Come General of the Ordnance, he had been ad- mittee was a sufficient ground on which for vised by him to abuse. He considered the the House to proceed. motion as a secret attack on the declared The question being then put for the reIcntinents of the House. The pill which commitment, there appeared Bad been formerly pretented was too hard

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Nocs 81 to be swallowed, and was now pounded, Mr. Drake, the moment after this divia chat it might go down with the greater case. fion, moved, That the fubje&t should be reThe spirit of the Mailer-General of the Ord- feued to a Committee of the whole Ilouse. nance had migrated into that House, and This, like the former, produced much coscould not 100 toon be expelled from it. versation. But on the question being put in

Mr. Fax opposed the motion on the fol. the words moved by Mr. Drake, there were lowing grounds, viz. that it would lead the

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Nocs 78 Commitee into discussions, which, as they Lord Surrey inen rose to make his proe related to profesional ohjeets, and the des mised motion for an equal representation of dence of the nation, belongid more especially the people. He stated the importance of this io a ficret cabinet; that the present estimate great question in a conftitutional point of was founded on the DATA of the Board of view. It was the only mecium through Others, which DATA the Houfe had repro- which the people of England had any direct buied; and that on this account the revival fare in the government. He owned bring. of a quellion fo grounded, and which had ing on the question was liable to this objec. becu negatived, was an affront to the House. tion, that the sense of the House bad already

He hoped that the Right Hon. Gentleman decided against him. He mentioned several would in future pay more respect to the opi- 'circumstances, however, which in his opie "pilen of the Houte, and not attempt to force pion was a fufhcient aníwer to this objedion. an obnoxious incalure on the country. He He called the attention of the House to levelikewise hoped every gentleman would con- ral points, which he thought of mech conceire, that the plan was totally reprobated, fcquence on the subject, and moved that a confequently that it could never again be Committee be appointed for inquiring into propofid to Parliament.

the present ftate of the representation of the Nir. Dundas observed, that the approba. Commons of Great-Britain. tion of the Board of Officers was surely no Mr. Sheridan seconded the motion. cilpasagement to the estimate. He would Mr. Martin and Mr. Sheridan tbeo faid acvile ine House io think of doing some. each of them a few words in lupport of the thing in the ume il piace ; for is they were motion, when the gallery was oracred to be called io fortify in line of war, they wouid cleared, and the queifon put. For Lord act ir in panic and would do things morc Suricy’s motion, expensively than in cooler momenis.

Ayes 64 It was agreed that the motion should be In a Committee a conversation took place withdrawn.

concerning the further proceeding in the Mr. Roile then moved, That an humble proficution of Mr. Hattings. Address be presented in his Majesty, pray- Mr. Burke agreed that ilie further discus. 113: that his Majefty would be gracioully fion of the question relative to the manner

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in which he was to bring forward his fpe- cretary of the Commillioners of Public Acm cific charges be postponed to Friday se'nnight.

Mr. Burke said, that on consideration of Major Gilpin was then called to the bar, what had fallen from the Right Honourable and went through an examination of con- Chancellor of the Exchequer, he had adoptfiderable length on the subject of the Prin- ed the mode recommended by him, and incesses of Oude.- Adjourned.

stead of pressing the House to a general vote

of impeachment on the whole of the charges Mr. Dempster moved several resolutions against Mr. Hastings, as had formerly been his for placing light-houses in certain parts of intention, he should propose a separate quela the coafts in the North Seas, which he slated tion on each several article of charge, and inca to be of the utmost importance to the safety move for a resolution of impeachment of the navigation in many places on the grounded on them all. That he should begin coast of Scotland, where veílels were free on Tuesday fe'nnight with the Rohilla war, quently lost for the want of such lights.

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The Chancellor of the Exchequer presentThe House then went into a further consi- ed the bill for transferring certain duties on deration of the whale fishery bill.

wines from the Customs to the Excise ; Mr. Hussey animadverted at some length which being read a first time, was ordered on the importance of that fishery, not only to be printed. as an article of commerce, but as a nursery Mr. Sheridan rose to make his promised of seamen for manning our navy, and, as

motion for the printing of the bill imposing fuch, deserving every encouragement. He a tax on perfumery goods. The practice of was of opinion, that instead of diminishing printing bills was but of late 'dare, not the bounty formerly given, it ought to have above ten or twelve years. Some persons been increased at any rate ; that the fum had pretended to argue against the printing now proposed of 305. per ton was by far of tax bills on the same principle that had too small; he would therefore, if the induced the House on all occasions to relist House should be of the same opinion with the suffering evidence or counsel to be heard him, propose a small addition to that against them to prevent the House on bounty.

occasion of every new tax from being cmMr. Jenkinson objected to anv alteration barrassed by the applications of those who, of the bounty in the present ftage of the

whether the tax was a good or had one, bofiness. It had already passed the Com

would be sure, from motives of private inmittee, and the report had been received. terelt, to give it every oppoliti in.

Mr. Thornton spoke a few words in fa- said he, le's necessary for the House to unvour of an additional bounty:

derstand the principles of a tux bill than The bill was then read with amendments, one of an ordinary nature? Ilere he argued and passed.

to the experience of the House--that it The House was next resolved into a Com. had always been remarktle that tax bills of mittee of Ways and Means, when Mr. Pirt all others required the greatest alterations proposed to the Committee, that an addi- and amendments in every subsequentreffen, tional duty of one penny per pound be im. He drew a humorous title for a bill to reposed on all hair-powder manufactured in medy the defects of former bills, which he Great-Britain.

said was often found nearly to cony, the The resolution passed.

words of the school-ho.'s iale of This is the The House resolved itself into a Commit- heuse that Jack built. First cime a billiontee of the whole House to consider fur- puting a tax-thin came a bail to mind ther of the fupply granted to his Majesty. chat bill-next a bill in expla n the billihat Refolved, Thai 6.500l. be granted to bis amanded the bill next a bill to remedy the Majelty for purchasing certain lands in the defects of the bill that explained the bll Illand of St. Viiceni's -6,3561. for com- tha: amendes the bill.- and lo on, he said, pleating the purchase of the Bahama Islands as infinitum. He comp.red the tax bills to -62,0591. 55. 10 make good the money a thip built in the dock, which every ssued to American sufferers -3,7501, 14s.

voyage discovered a

new fault, and was to pay fees on the receipt of 152,000l. grant. obliged repeatedly to be brought into dock ed' látt reffion for American loyalitts to be repaired first it was to be caulked, 2,4261. gs. for the passage of Mr. Dundas then to be new ribbed, again to be careenand Mr. Pemberton, Commissioners for ed, and generally at lengih to be broke up A rpcrican Claims, to Nova Scotia - 16,061!. and rebuilt. 16s. 3d. to discharge bijls drawn on the W!) the laugh occasioned by ihis fateTrealury by the Governor of Vova-Scotia, ment bad lubaded, Mr. Sheridan p:oceeded New Brunswick, &c. and for other purporis to point out several absurdities in the tax 91,5601.58.7d. for the expeace of main- bills which had been lately part d. and taining convicts on the River Thames--, whichi, he contended, might all ).. ve been 1000l. to replace that sum iflucd to the Sc- avoided, if the bills, by being printed, had




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been submitted to a full and public discuss consciousness of its futility, he was of opie fion. In the horse tax bill, for instance, there nion it was needless to trouble the House was a clause which required a stamp to be with any thing of the kind. placed, not indeed on the animal, but on Mr. Beaufoy and some others spoke, after some part of his accoutrements. This clause, which the House divided, on a little condideration, had been abandon

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Nocs 119. ed. There was, however, inserted another so absurd, that it was never carried into exe- Ballotted for a Committee to try the me. cution; he meant the clause by which it was rits of the Carlisle petition. enacted, that the numbers and names of all The House went into a Committee on the the horses in cach parish should be affixed on Perfumery bill. Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Hussey, the church door! The churchwardens were Mr. Courtenay, Lord Surrey, and Mr. Fox, also required by the same act to return lifts feverally spoke against certain clauses in this of the windows within their districts to the bill, which in their opinion were not only Commissioners of Stamps for the purpose of absurd, but even oppreflive in so high a detecting those who had not entered their degree, that prescription could not foften borses. If horses were in the habit of look- them, or plead in their favour ; particularly ing out at windows, this might possibly have that provision which invested the Excise with been a prudent and judicious regulation ; power to enter at pleasure into the House of but under the present circumstances there the subject, and to examine at will such and was some little occasion for wonder how such places, and to force thc purchase of there idcas came to be associated in the stamps. minds of those who framed the bill; unless Mr. Rose contended, that this clause had it was that they wished to sink the buliness for precedent the fourth of George II. On of legislation intn contempe, even with those which the House divided, for the clause 45; who were appointed to carry the laws into against it 15; majority 39. execution. A happy encouragement 10

Mr. Sheridan, with others, insisted that smuggling was given in the act which en- the penalty of rool. in default of selling any joined the flaving of all spirits that should be article without the stamp was too high, which seized : as consumers mult be again supplied, gave birth to the second division for the zool. the smugglers were emboldened to proceed penalty: for it 37; against it 18; majority 21. in their business, and, be presumed to say,

Some new clauses were received, and the drank in grateful libations ihe health of the

blanks filled up. Minister which framed the bill, with three

Mr. Rose, Mr. Dundas, the Chancellor of times three.

the Exchequer, and the Allorney-General, In fact, every bill of the present admini- &c. spoke in favour of the original clauses. ftration had gone through as many transfermations as the insect in its progress to bc- Mr. Rose presented a bill for better secue come a butterfly; and every one of them ring the duties on starch. As soon as it was atforded a substantial argument for the ne

read the first time, ceility of his prelent motion.

Ms. Sheridan observed, that any gentleHe next condemned the proposed tax on

man who attended the Committee of yefter periumery; and caumerating the articles of day, would be convinced of the necessary of lavender, milk of roles, &c. faid that the printing tax bills; he therefore moved, ibat Commissioners in diftinguishing the various ihe bill for regulating the duty on ftarch be particulars of taxation, must be gifted by printed. nature with the poses of pointers; and then, Mr. Pitt opposed the motion. alluding to Parliament, quoted the following The question was then called for, and the pasage from Pope's Rape of the Lock: gallery cleared ; but it was given up with “ Clir humble province is to tend the fair,

out dividing “ Not a lels plaling, cho' less glorious care ;

The meflage from the Lords being read, " To Save the powder from too rude a gale,

for the produ&tion of such papers and docu• “ Nor let th'imprison'd eflences exhale."

ments as they required from the Commons,

to consider of the means of the public reveMr. Sheridan concluded by moving, " That nue whereby they are enabled to approthe bill relative to a tax on perfumery be. priate one million annually for the reduction printed."

of the national debi, Mr. Role said, he had no particular ob- A motion was made, "that a message be jection to the motion, but thought it was ill- sent to the Lords, to acquaint their Lordízips timed, and would be of very little service. that the Commons have taken their Lore

The Chancellor of the Exchequer expres. Ships' melTage of Tuesday, relating to the ed himsel! happy that the days of :axation bill for velling certain sums io Commiflionwere nearly at an end, as the revenue of the ers towards discharging ttic national debi, country was conliderably improved. If any into confideration ; but conceive that it has good could be derived from the present mo- not been the practice of Parliament, for either won, he would oot oppose it; but tiom i House to delire of the other the information


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