is based upon the action of this Convention and all legislative precedents.

Mr. LAWRENCE. Allow me to ask the gentleman a question. I do not know that the gentleman favored this idea, but I want to know on what principle of justice and equity it is proposed to give one officer at this door $1,800 and another $1,300, a difference of $500 between two men who are sitting in juxtaposition.

Mr. TURRELL. The gentleman shows that he does not understand the report. There is no such discrimination.

Mr. LAWRENCE. Yes, there is.
Mr. TURKELL. There is not.

Mr. LAWRENCE. I understand it so. I respect the Sergeant-at-Arms as much as any man in the House does; but I understand the report gives him $1,800 and the doorkeeper $1,300.

Mr. TURRELL. The doorkeeper attends to the door. The Sergeant-at-Arms is the chief executive officer of this body, and the distinction which I have referred to is recognized throughout all legislative bodies. If the gentleman will look at the original resolution he will see that the proportionate difference as fixed by this Convention in the outset is no more than the difference made by this report. The gentleman who has just resumed his seat says that there is not that difference in the original fixing of these salaries.

Mr. LAWRENCE. I say that in fixing the difference between the salary of the Sergeant-at-Arms and doorkeeper at Harrisburg in the Senate and in the House, there was never a difference of more than $100.

Mr. TURRELL. The gentleman is mistaken there. His recollection is at fault as to this point. The salary fixed for the Sergeant-at-Arms here in the outset was $850, and the doorkeeper $600. There is a difference of $250. Now, the difference between them is no more in proportion; it is not as much indeed as that is.

Mr. BAER. I move to amend the amendment by adding to it "except the transcribing clerks."

Mr. BARCLAY. Mr. President: It seems to me that this Convention has been going on very loosely in its appropriations, seemingly without that consideration which these different questions require. A short time since we voted into our own pockets nearly $350,000. We have large bills to pay; the large bills of reporters, the large bills of printers, the large bills--we cannot tell how many in number nor how great in extent-that have

already been made. The question then should present itself to our consideration before we make any other appropriations, have we the means to foot these bills? The Legislature has appropriated the sum of $500,000 for the expenses of this Convention. Is it enough at the rate at which we are proceeding? It has been intimated to me by a gentleman very accurate in his calculations, that after the payment of the bills we have already contracted, there will not be enough to meet the expenses to which we have subjected ourselves.

To obviate that difficulty, and in order that no question on that subject may arise hereafter, but that the $500,000 may be fully adequate for the payment of the employees-all of whom are entitled to and should receive the compensation which the committee on this subject have recommended-I would move the following amendment as an addition to the resolution that has been suggested

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The gentleman from Berks will retain his amendment for the present. There is already an amendment to the amendment pending.

Mr. BARCLAY. Then I will read my addition, and when the time comes to offer it, I believe there is sufficient patriotism in the Convention to pass it. I know that over forty gentlemen in this Convention have placed themselves upon record as opposed to a proper and adequate compensation on the part of the members of the Convention. They are willing to serve the Commonwealth; let them serve for honor. Therefore, in order that the $500,000 appropriated by the Legislature to meet the expenses of this Convention may not be insuficient, I will offer the following amendment:

"The members of this Convention shall receive no pecuniary compensation for their services. All they ask is the approval of their fellow citizens."

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The question is on the amendment to the amendment, which is to except the transcribing clerks.

The amendment to the amendment was rejected.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The question recurs on the amendment of the delegato from Schuylkill (Mr. Bartholomew.) Mr. AINEY. I offer the following amendment to the amendment:

Strike out all after the word “resolved" and insert as follows:

"That the compensation of the clerks and other employees of the House b increased seventy per cent over the amount heretofore fixed by the Convention."

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. That is hardly an amendment to the amendment. It might come in when the motion now pending is voted upon, as an amendment to the original report, but it is not in order at present. The question now is upon the amendment of the gentleman from Schuylkill.

Mr. DUNNING. I want to say a word or two on this subject. As a member of the committee making the report which is now before this Convention, I was very glad to hear my friend from Susquehanna (Mr. Turrell) state so clearly the reasons that led the committee to their conclusions. I sustained the report in committee, although I did not feel that some of the officers were receiving as large compensation as they should receive. I was willing to vote for more for some of the officers than the committee reported.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The Chair must remind the gentleman from Luzerne that it is clearly out of order in discussions on this floor, to state what occurred in committee.

Mr. DUNNING. I will not say anything in particular about what took place there. The gentleman from Schuylkill has offored a proposition which I think does greater injustice to some of the officers of this body than can possibly be charged upon the report under consideration, in any individual case. I am sorry that he did not consent to accept the amendment which was proposed to him. I shall feel constrained to vote for the report of the committee. Inasmuch as many members of the Conventton thought it was not enough in some particulars, I did hope that some proposition would be offered which would harmonize the feelings of all individuals, and I think if it be necessary to increase it in some particulars, no member of the committee would find any special fault with that.

One thing I desire this Convention distinctly to understand. The action of this committee in reporting the increase which they did, was fixed previously by this Convention for the action of that committee. The action of the Convention itself was the light that led the committee to that conclusion, emanating originally from this Convention. I hope that inasmuch as the amendment to the amendment has been voted down, the remaining

amendment will be voted down and the report of the committee sustained.

Mr. BARTHOLOMEW. Mr. President: I understand the question to be upon my amendment.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. Yes, sir. Mr. BARTHOLOMEW. Then upon that question I call the yeas and nays. Mr. HARRY WHITE. I second the call. Mr. NEWLIN. Is it too late to amend the amendment?

Mr. BARLHOLOMEW. Oh, yes! The yeas and nays are called for.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The yeas and nays have been called for, and the Clerk will call the names of the delegates.

Mr. KAINE, I understand the vote now is upon the amendment of the member from Schuylkill.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. That is the question before the House.

Mr. DAVIS. I ask that it be read.

The CLERK. The amendment is to make the compensation of the officers of the body, except the Chief Clerk and the two assistant clerks, $1,750, except the Sergeant-at-Arms, whose salary is left at $1,

800.

Mr. MACVEAGH. I desire to say a single word before the vote is taken. If gentlemen desire to see the basis of the report of the committee upon this subject, they will find it upon pages 21 and 22 of the first volume of Debates. When the salaries of the officers of this Convention were first fixed, their compensations were graded, and that gradation met the views of the Convention at that time. For one, I am unable to see why a percentage of increase is not the true method of reaching this question of compensating these people. They all accepted office subject to these subordinations, and they should be preserved.

The yeas and nays were required by Mr. Bartholomew and Mr. Baily, (Perry,) and were as follow, viz:

YEAS.

Messrs. Addicks, Baily, (Perry,) Bailey, (Huntingdon,) Bannan, Barclay, Bardsley, Bartholomew, Biddle, Bowman, Broomal, Bullitt, Calvin, Campbell, Carter, Collins, Corson, Craig, Davis, Elliot, Ellis, Finney, Gibson, Green, Guthrie, Hanna, Hazzard, Lawrence, MacConnell, M'Camant, M'Clean, M'Culloch, Newlin, Palmer, H. W., Patterson, D. W., Reed, Andrew, Reynolds, Rooke, Runk, Russell, Sharpe, Smith, William H., Stewart, Temple, Wetherill, J. M., Wherry, White,

NAYS.

Messrs. Achenbach, Ainey, Alricks, Andrews, Armstrong, Baer, Baker, Bigler, Boyd, Brodhead, Buckalew, Carey, Cochran, Corbett, Cronmiller, Curry, Dallas, Darlington, De France, Dunning, Edwards, Ewing, Fulton, Funck, Gilpin, Harvey, Hemphill, Horton, Howard, Hunsicker, Kaine, Knight, Landis, Lear, Lilly, Littleton, MacVeagh, M'Murray, Mantor. Metzger, Minor, Mott, Niles, Palmer, G. W., Parsons, Patterson, T. H. B., Patton, Porter, Pughe, Purviance, John N., Purviance, Samuel A., Read, John R., Ross, Simpson, Smith, Henry W., Stanton, Struthers, Turrell, Walker, Wetherill, John Price, White, Harry, Worrell and Wright-63.

ABSENT. Messrs. Beebe, Black, Charles A., Black, J. S., Brown, Cassidy, Church, Clark, Curtin, Cuyler, Dodd, Fell, Hall, Hay, Heverin, Lamberton, Long, Mann, Mitchell, Purman, Smith, H. G., Van Reed and Meredith, President-22. Mr. HUNSICKER. I ask for a division of this question so as to take up each salary by itself.

A division of Where is the first

The PRESIDENT pro tem. the question is asked. division to be?

Mr. HUNSICKER. his two assistants.

keeper $1,500 in lieu of $1,300 as reported by the committee.

Mr. HUNSICKER. I asked for a division of the question and the Chair entertained it. Now, the gentleman from Blair offers an amendment. I desire to raise a point of order, whether there can be an amendment now when the Chair has entertained the motion to divide the question and has already stated the first division. The amendment will be in order hereafter.

Mr. DARLINGTON. The amendment of the gentleman from Blair will be in order when we reach that branch of the resolution.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. A division of the question is called by the delegate from Montgomery and entertained. That division was to take a vote on each clause separately, and the question now is on the clause fixing the compensation of the Chief Clerk and his assistants.

Mr. HARRY WHITE. I desire to offer an amendment, to come in at the end of the resolution. ["No. No."]

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The yeas and nays have been called for on this question, and the Clerk will call the roll.

Mr. HARRY WHITE. I merely ask my privilege as a member of this body to of fer an amendment relating to another officer. There is an effort here to discrimi

Mr. BARCLAY. I offer my amendment as an addition to the resolution now before the House.

Mr. CURRY. If I am in order I think I can make a suggestion that will meet the approbation of the committee.

Mr. BARCLAY. amendment read.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The amendment will be in order when we reach that particular officer. A division of the question has been called, and the yeas and nays have been ordered on the first division, which is in relation to the salary of the Chief Clerk and the assistant clerks,

Mr. BARTHOLOMEW. I did not call for the yeas and nays on that question. I called for them on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Berks (Mr. Barclay.

Mr. MACVEAGH. That was ruled out of order.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. Then the question is on the first division of the resolution.

The division was agreed to.

The CLERK read the second division, as follows: "Transcribing clerks, each, $2,500."

Mr. AINEY. I move to amend by increasing the compensation heretofore fixed by the Convention seventy per cent.

Mr. H. W. PALMER. How much is that?

Mr. AINEY. That would make the compensation $1,700. It was originally fixed at $1,000.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The question is on the amendment to strike out "$2,500" and insert "seventy per cent. above the amoun: fixed by the Convention." Mr. AINEY. Making it $1,700.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The question is on the amendment of the gentleman from Lehigh (Mr. Ainey) as modified.

The yeas and nays were required by Mr. Campbell and Mr. Ainey, and were as follow, viz:

YEAS.

Messrs. Ainey, Alricks, Baily, (Perry,)

yeas and nays.

Mr. COLLINS.

Mr. KNIGHT.

I second the call.

Is an amendment to the amendment in order?

The PRESIDENT pro tem. Certainly. Mr. KNIGHT. Then I move to amend so as to make it eighty per cent.

Mr. LAWRENCE. I suggest that that is so indefinite that no member here can un

derstand what he is voting for. I do not know what the original compensation

was.

Mr. COLLINS. This proposition makes it $1,800.

Mr. LAWRENCE. Then I will vote for it.

Mr. HARRY WHITE. Do I understand the amendment is to the clause fixing the compensation of the transcribing clerks alone?

The PRESIDENT pro tem. Yes, sir.

Mr. HARRY WHITE. Very well. Then I understand the compensation of the transcribing clerks originally was fixed at $1,000, and seventy per cent. increase will make it $1,700.

Mr. STANTON. There is an amendment to that amendment offered by the gentleman from Philadelphia (Mr. Knight) proposing to increase it eighty per cent.

Mr. AINEY. I accept the amendment of eighty per cent., which will make the compensation $1,800.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The Clerk will call the roll on the amendment as amended.

Mr. W. H. SMITH. The call for the yeas and nays was not seconded by ten

persons.

Mr. MACVEAGH. It requires ten seconds to call the yeas and nays.

Buckalew, Bullitt, Calvin, Campbell, Carey, Carter, Clark, Cochran, Collins, Corbett, Cronmiller, Cuyler, Dallas, Darlington, Ewing, Finney, Funck, Hall, Harvey, Howard, Kaine, Knight, Lawrence, Littleton, M'Culloch, Minor, Palmer, H. W., Patterson, T. H. B., Patton, Purviance, John N., Reed, Andrew, Russell, Smith, H. G., Smith, Wm. H., Stewart, White, Harry, Woodward, Worrell and Van Reed, Wherry, White, David N., Wright-49.

NAYS.

Messrs. Achenbach, Addicks, Andrews, Armstrong, Baer, Bailey, (Huntingdon,) Baker, Bannan, Barclay, Bartholomew, Bowman, Boyd, Corson, Curry, Curtin, Davis, De France, Dunning, Edwards, Elliott, Ellis, Fulton, Gibson, Gilpin, Green, Guthrie, Hanna, Hazzard, Hemphill, Horton, Hunsicker, Landis, Lear, Lilly, MacConnell, MacVeagh, M'Camant, M'Clean, M'Murray, Mantor, Metzger, Mott, Newlin, Niles, Palmer, G. W., Parsons, Patterson, D. W., Porter, Pughe, Read, John R., Reynolds, Rooke, Ross, Runk, Sharpe, Simpson Smith, Henry W., Stanton, Struthers, Temple, Turrell, Walker, Wetherill, J. M., Wetherill, Jno. Price and White, J. W. F.-65.

So the amendment was agreed to.

ABSENT.-Messrs. Beebe, Bigler, Black, Charles A., Black, J. S., Brown, Cassidy, Church, Craig, Dodd, Fell, Hay, Heverin, Lamberton, Long, Mann, Mitchell, Purman, Purviance, Samuel A. and Meredith, President-19.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The question is on the second division.

Mr. LITTLETON. Mr. President: I

Mr. HARRY WHITE. I submit that it does not require ten to second the call for the yeas and nays on a question of this kind. That refers to amendments to sections.

Mr. DARLINGTON. Can anybody tell me what these transcribing clerks have had to do or what they will have to do? Nothing at all.

"$2,000" for the transcribing clerks. Mr. CORBETT. I ask for the yeas and nays.

Mr. WORRELL. I second the call.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The yeas and nays are ordered, and the Clerk will call the roll.

The question being taken by yeas and nays, resulted: Yeas seventy-six; nays thirty-two, as follow:

YEAS.

Messrs. Ainey, Alricks, Armstrong, Baer, Baily, (Perry,) Bailey, (Huntingdon.) Bannan, Bardsley, Bartholomew, Biddle, Bigler, Bowman, Brodhead, Broomall, Buckalew, Bullitt, Calvin, Campbell, Carey, Carter, Clark, Cochran, Collins, Corbett, Corson, Cronmiller, Cuyler, Dallas, Darlington, Dodd, Edwards, Ewing, Finney, Fulton, Funck, Gibson, Green, Guthrie, Hall, Harvey, Hazzard, Howard, Kaine, Lawrence, Lilly, Littleton, MacConnell, MacVeagh, M'Clean, M'Culloch, M'Murray, Minor, Newlin, Patterson, D. W., Patterson, T. H. B., Patton, Purviance, John N., Purviance, Sam'l A., Read, John R., Reed, Andrew, Reynolds, Rouke, Ross, Russell, Sharpe, Simpson, Smith, II. G., Smith, Henry W., Smith, Wm. H., Van Reed, Wherry, White, David N., White, Harry, White, J. W. F., Woodward and Wright

-76.

NAYS.

Messrs. Achenbach, Addicks, Baker, Barelay, Boyd, Curry, Davis, De France, Dunning, Elliott, Gilpin, Hanna, Hemphill, Horton, Huusicker, Mantor, Metzger, Mott, Niles, Palmer, G. W., Parsons, Porter, Pughe, Runk, Stanton, Struthers, Temple, Turrell, Walker, Wetherill, J. M., Wetherill, Jno. Price and Worrell32.

So the amendment was agreed to. ABSENT.- Messrs. Andrews, Beebe, Black, Charles A,. Black, J. S., Brown, Cassidy, Church, Craig, Curtin, Ellis, Fell, Hay, Heverin, Knight, Lamberton, Landis, Lear, Long, M'Camant, Mann, Mitchell, Palmer, H. W., Purman, Stewart and Meredith, President-25.

The PRESIDENT pro tem. tion recurs on the second amended.

The quesdivision as

The division as amended was agreed to. The third division was read as follows: "Sergeant-at-Arms, $1,800, and assistant sergeant-at-arms, $1,500."

Mr. LITTLETON. I move to amend by striking out 1,830" and inserting "1,500," and striking out "1,500" and inserting "1,300." ["No." "No."]

Messrs. Achenbach, Addicks, Andrews, Armstrong, Baer, Baily, (Perry,) Bailey, (Huntingdon,) Baker, Bannan, Barclay, Bardsley, Bartholomew, Biddle, Bigler, Bowman, Calvin, Campbell, Carey, Carter, Clark, Corson, Curry, Curtin, Davis, De France, Dodd, Dunning, Edwards, Elliott, Ellis, Ewing, Fell, Finney, Gibson, Guthrie, Hanna, Hazzard, Horton, Howard, Landis, Lawrence, MacConnell, MacVeagh, M'Culloch, M'Murray, Mantor, Metzger, Newlin, Niles, Palmer, G. W., Parsons, Patterson, D. W., Patterson, T. II. B., Porter, Purviance, John N., Purviance, Samuel A., Reynolds, Runk, Sharpe, Smith, Win. H., Stanton, Stewart, Temple, Wetherili, J. M., Wherry, White, David N., White, J. W. F., Woodward and Wright-69.

NAYS.

Messrs. Ainey, Alricks, Boyd, Brodhead, Broomall, Buckalew, Bullitt, Cochran, Collins, Corbett, Cronmiller, Dallas, Darlington, Fulton, Funck, Gilpin, Harvey, Hemphill, Hunsicker, Kaine, Lilly, Littleton, M'Clean, Mott, Patton, Reed, Andrew, Ross, Russell, Simpson, Smith, H. G., Smith, Henry W., Turrell, Van Reed, Walker, Wetherill, Jno. Price and Worrell-36.

So the first division was agreed to.

ABSENT.-Messrs. Beebe, Black, Charles A., Black, J. S., Brown, Cassidy, Church, Craig, Cuyler, Green, Hall, Hay, Heverin,

The PRESIDENT pro tem. The question is on the amendment of the gentleman from Philadelphia.

Mr. BOWMAN. I move to amend the amendment by striking out "1,500" and

mant, Mann, Minor, Mitchell, Palmer, II. W., Pughe, Purman, Read, John R., Rooke, Struthers, White, Harry and Meredith, President-28.

The PRESIDENT protempore. The ques tion now recurs on the second division,