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Mr. Roebuck said, that all he wanted was a Committee to investigate the subject. He would, however, suggest to the noble Lord to insert the words "national education" in his Amendment.

Mr. Abercromby suggested, that the word "national" should be omitted. He wished to have the inquiry directed to the state of education generally, and the effect of the grant made last Session.

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that no one was born a schoolmaster, and England, where they knew that they had it would be necessary, therefore, to educate a right to expect to be received with hoshim. He agreed with the hon. Member, pitality. When he reflected upon what that a half-drunken schoolmaster was not England had in former times done to asa good thing, and that a coxcomb might be sist the oppressed of other countries, he worse; proper education would form some could not suppose the House of Commons barrier against the introduction of these would neglect the unhappy Poles, who had evils. He would repeat, that he felt great greater claims upon our sympathy than any difficulty in deciding which way he should of the former objects of the national gevote, if the House was to be divided. But nerosity. The House had formerly voted he hoped, the noble Lord and the hon. large sums for the relief of distressed Member would not divide the House, but foreigners, almost without remark. agree to an amicable arrangement on the the commencement of the present century, question. no less a sum than 3,000,0007, had been voted for objects of that kind, and much of the expenditure continued up to the present day. Even during this Session, money had been voted for refugees who stood in the same situation as those whose cause he humbly pleaded. What claim had the French refugees, clergy and laity, upon our benevolence, which the Poles did not possess? Having shown our liberality to the distressed of all other nations, would it not be shameful now to begin to hold our hands in the case of the Poles-a nation whose claim to the admiration and gratitude of Europe was universally allowed? Much eloquence had, at various periods, been employed in the British Parliament, to show the necessity for Poland being an independent nation; ought we, then, to allow the men who had gallantly stood forward in the bloody struggle to achieve their national independence to perish on our shores? He had, through his Majesty's Ministers, obtained the formal consent of the Crown, which was necessary in order to enable him to bring forward the Motion with which he meant to conclude, and he hoped, that it would not be opposed by the Government. England was almost the only country in Europe in which a portion of the public money had not been applied to the relief of the Polish refugees. Even in despotic Austria relief had been extended to them by the state, and France had distinguished herself by the generosity of her conduct towards the unfortunate exiles; the Chamber of Deputies having voted no less than 3,000,000 of franes (a sum equivalent to about 140,000l.)' for their support. The sum which he was about to ask for, would be insignificant when compared with that given by the French, and could not be objected to on the score of economy, for it would not be felt by any one in the nation. The money which he asked for would not be sent out of the country, as had been the case with

Lord Althorp expressed his willingness to accede to the recommendation of his right hon. friend (Mr. Abercromby), and begged to propose the following Motion, which differed but slightly from the Amendment of his noble friend (Lord Morpeth). He would move for a Select Committee to inquire into the state of the education of the people in England and Wales, and into the application and effect of the grant made last Session for the erection of school-houses, and to consider the expediency of further grants in aid of education.

The other Motions were withdrawn, and the Motion of Lord Althorp was agreed to. Committee appointed.

THE POLISH EMIGRANTS.] Lord Dud ley Stuart called the attention of the House to the distressed condition of the Polish Refugees in this country. The noble Lord briefly described the events which had recently occurred in Poland, and which had terminated in the overthrow of liberty, and the establishment of the cruel despotism of Russia in that ill-fated country, and expressed a hope, that the House would not turn a deaf ear to the claims of the brave men who had sacrificed everything but honour in the struggle for freedom. It was well known, that a remnant of the gallant Polish army, escaped from the slaughter of which so many thousand of their compatriots were the victims, had sought an asylum on the shores of happy

other parliamentary grants, and so far this was an argument in favour of his proposition. On a former occasion the House had cheerfully voted 200,000l. to be sent to sufferers in Russia, and 100,000l. to sufferers in Germany. There was no ground upon which it appeared to him his Motion could be resisted, except, perhaps, the fear of giving offence to the Russian government; but he would not for a moment believe that Ministers could be actuated by such a base motive. The noble Lord drew an affecting picture of the distressed situation of the Polish refugees in the metropolis, and read a letter addressed to him by a distinguished Pole, in which the writer said, that his countrymen looked forward to his Motion as their last hope. He did not ask the country to make any great sacrifice; in fact, he was quite willing that the grant should be restricted to those who were at present in this country, and that all future claimants should be held excluded from the benefit of it. The noble Lord concluded, by moving, "that the House resolve into Committee to consider the propriety of an humble address being presented to his Majesty, praying that his Majesty would be graciously pleased to direct that some pecuniary assistance be afforded to the distressed Poles at present in this country, and to assure his Majesty that the House would make good the same

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Mr. Buckingham seconded the Motion. Lord Althorp said, he very much feared considerable inconvenience might arise from a general grant, as it would invite an indefinite influx of Poles into this country, and, therefore, he was pleased to find that his noble friend had consented to confine the grant to those who were at present in the country. With respect to the Polish emigrants, it was undoubtedly true, that they were now suffering extreme distress. The causes which had led to that suffering were certainly such as to excite very general and deep commiseration; but the distress itself, even apart from those causes, was quite sufficient to account for the very generous sympathy which had been so extensively felt on their account. In these circumstances, feeling that private subscriptions were the proper means by which the objects of charities of this sort ought to be accomplished, but apprehensive that the funds thus derived were nearly, if not entirely, exhausted, his Majesty's Government had come to the determination not to oppose the Motion of the noble Lord, on the understanding, that those who pro

moted the grant would concur in limiting it to those Poles who were now in this country.

Mr. Cutlar Fergusson was heartily grateful to his Majesty's Ministers for their assent to this Motion. He must, also, cordially express his approbation of the restrictions imposed by Government, as well as gratitude for the liberal and generous spirit which had induced the Ministers to accede to the request of his noble friend.

The Motion was agreed to; and it was ordered, that the House should, on the following day, resolve itself into the said Committee.

STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH INDIA.] Mr. Charles Grant, in moving for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the best means of promoting the communication with India by steam, observed, that the East-India Company had not neglected its duty on this important subject. The Company had employed a vessel to survey the coasts, and had already established steam navigation between Bombay and the Red Sea. Two routes had been pointed out, one by the Red Sea, another by the Euphrates; and the consideration of which was the better of the two would form an interesting subject of inquiry in the Committee. He would then only move for its appointment.

Mr. Hume supported the Motion, and expressed his thanks to the right hon. Gen tleman for the trouble and interest he had taken on the subject.

The Committee was appointed.

PENSIONS (CIVIL OFFICES).] Sir James Graham moved the third reading of the Pensions (Civil Offices) Bill.

Mr. Hume opposed the third reading of the Bill. He wished the Bill to be divided into two, to embrace the two parts of which it consisted. He recommended that, in all cases, each claim for retiring pensions should be brought before Parliament, and he objected to the pensions enjoyed by several persons who had filled Ministerial offices, but were now in possession of large incomes.

Lord Althorp said, that the coming to Parliament in each case would lead to extravagance, for, in a popular assembly, there was always a readiness to grant pensions in individual cases, although there would be much jealousy in sanctioning such as were left to the responsibility of Ministers. He was convinced, that the best system was to

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The Bill was read a third time and passed.

HOUSE OF LORDS,
Wednesday, June 4, 1834.

MINUTES.] Petitions presented. By the Dukes of Beats
FORT and WELLINGTON, Earis SHAPterocky, Brom NgM,

and ELDON, the Archbishop of CANTERARY, and Loot

TEXTERDEN, from several Puces-for Protective to de Established Church-By Eari Bowytow and Lond TENTERDEN, from several Places,—against the Adatasso of Dissenters to the Universities; and by the sana than several Places, against any Alteration in the Corn Laws By Lord WYNFORD, from four Places, against employing Children in the Sweeping of Chimneys-By the Fat

of DURHAM and Lord WYXFord, from several Places, -for the Better Observance of the Sabbath.-By Lond SUFFIELD, from Baldock, for Relief to the Dissenters 2 and by the Bishop of BATH and WELLS, from four Places, against the Claims of the Dissenters.-By the same, from

WIS & SAUMANnce. He had been for several was £«Hembler at House, and during The wriver at his experience, public busiJess and comenced at five o'clock. mi arataan, maav vears ago, had introDavak Nat #wcove, and ever since it had NOVI SUNGEN aubered 2 He was aware, Thân,hi Ogust met her other business at ache bus ; met at ten o'clock for ITIN Sanctimes de House assembled

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enforce Per De Marek Disfranchisereet F He had never understood, Sowever, Bit the meeting upon the We Fat, was to interfere in aly wanget with the regular business of the House at five. This was his impresson, and be bellowed it was the mpression of many pocie Lots besides himself, as be met a considerable number coming down to the House yesterday at twenty minutes to dve obock, as he was going away, the House belog then adjourned. He did not mean to say, that yesterday it was pot competent to the House to have

oured itself before ave, or for a noble Lord to move the adjournment; but some notice of the intention to do so ought to have been given. He was in the House when the adjournment took place, but it took him by surprise. The adjournment, he believed, was put by the noble and learned Lord from the Woolsack, without any noble Lord having made a motion to

Shepton Mallet, for an Act to regulate the Appointment that effect. He admitted, that the noble

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and learned Lord had a right to originate that or any other Motion in that House; but if he had acted conformably with the orders of the House, he would have left the Woolsack for the purpose of making it; instead of which the noble and learned Lord rose in his place, and at once moved the adjournment. He, for one, certainly did not hear the Motion. He had thus thought it right to explain the cause of his having allowed a single day to pass without giving notice of a Motion for the production of a copy of a Commission to which he had referred.

IRISH CHURCH.-BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.] The Earl of Wicklow gave notice, that, on Friday, he would move, that a copy of the Commission issued to inquire into the state of the property of the Church of Ireland should be laid before that House. Having given this notice, the noble Earl stated, that he thought it a duty he owed to the House, to detail the circumstances which prevented him from giving it last night. He came down to the House at four o'clock, with the inten, in the course of the evening, of giving The Lord Chancellor begged to state, Leras notice. He was prevented from for the information of their Lordships, Gaveating his intention. by the sudden some circumstances which the noble Earl ቴriter in which a as adjourned. had not stated in the account he had just sue dead not m anywhere, given. He had twice put the question ould have from the Woolsack, whether any noble Lord had any petition to present, or any Motion to make. He then asked if there

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The Earl of Wicklow thought the question was, not what mischief bad been done, but what mischief might accrue from the system of the noble and learned Lord. The question of adjournment ought to be put in an audible manner, so as to be heard by all Members of the House. This the noble and learned Lord had certainly not done. Then the noble and learned Lord told them that he was willing to return after having adjourned the House. This was another instance of the noble Lord's ignorance of the forms of the House. There should be some regular understanding as to the hour of commencing business.

was any more business before the House Half-a-dozen noble Lords announced, that there was none. The Warwick business, then, being over, he did not see why he was to sit there from half-past four till five o'clock, doing nothing, because noble Lords did not choose to come down before. He should certainly learn for the first time, that that was his duty, if he should I be so instructed that night. He bad at least fifty times adjourned the House at a quarter past four o'clock when there was no business or notice in the order-book, and no noble Lords present. It was generally his practice to ask some noble Lord, mostly the noble Earl (the Earl of Shaftesbury), to move the adjournment before he put it from the Woolsack; and he (the Lord Chancellor) did not know that he had not done so yesterday. The House was of course aware, that such a Motion was a very simple thing; that it was done almost by a nod of the head; no argument or long speech was necessary in making it; and it might, therefore, easily pass unperceived. As a Member of that House, he had a right to move the adjournment. The noble Earl admitted this, but alleged that he had not stepped out from the Woolsack as he ought to have The Lord Chancellor utterly denied done. Really he ought to be proud to that he had not put the question in a tone think, that this was the only charge of sufficiently audible to be heard in the irregularity that could be brought against back seat of the gallery. The noble Earl, him. If he had but thought of taking one he believed, was too much occupied to step to the left, and then one step to the hear him. That was not his fault, for he right, backwards, and had then again was not bound to find ears for any of returned to the Woolsack, he would have their Lordships. He acknowledged the performed all the evolutions of office, and superiority of the noble Earl over him in done all that the duties of regularity and an acquaintance with the forms of the etiquette which he owed to their Lordships House. He was willing to admit, that required of him. Had he but made these the noble Earl's knowledge was as much simple movements, he would have been superior to his, as the noble Earl himself the most regular of all mortal Speakers of believed it to be; and he could not carry their Lordships' House. But the noble concession to a higher point. To the Earl was present, and did not set him noble Earl that House was, as it were, right, or complain of the adjournment. native; to him (the Lord Chancellor) it He had asked more than once if any noble was only "hospitable." But it was really Lord had any Motion to make, and the too bad of the noble Earl, with his knownoble Earl made no answer. The ques-ledge of the forms, first to mislead him tion he would ask, however, was, "Had into the belief that he could come back substantial injustice been done?" The to the Woolsack after adjourning the noble Earl's notice was for Friday; House-for he it was that recommended and was it not in time on Wednesday? it-and then to condemn him for contemMoreover, when he was told by the noble plating such a thing. The noble Baron, Earl last evening, that the noble Earl had a son of a Lord Chief Justice (Lord Ellena notice to give, he offered to come back; borough), it was who fired up, he might but several noble Lords, upon hearing that say constitutionally fired up, at the into it was a notice for Friday, observed, that posal, and saved him from putting it into Wednesday would be time enough for it, execution.

The House again examined on the Warwick Borough Bill.

HOUSE OF COMMONS,
Wednesday, June 4, 1834.

MINUTES.] Bills. Read a second time:-Admission of
Freemen.-Committed:-Punishment of Death.

Petitions presented. By Mr. BARING, from Christian Resi-
dents in London, for removing the Civil Disabilities of
the Jews.-By Sir RONALD FERGUSON, from Sweinton,

SIMEON, Mr, DUFFIELD, and Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET,

Places, for an inquiry into the Causes of Drunkenness.

Better Observance of the Lord's Day.-By Lord ROBERT

MANNERS and Mr. RICE TREVOR, from several Places,

for Protection to the Established Church.-By the same,

and Mr. POINTZ, from several Places,-against the Claims of the Dissenters.-By Sir WILLIAM CHAYTOR Places,-against the Poor Law Amendment Bill; and by Mr. JERVIS, Mr. GEORGE BERKELEY, and another HON. MEMBER, from several Places,-against Clauses in the above Bill.-By Mr. GROTE, Mr. WILKS, Mr. N.

and Sergeant SPANKIE, from Islington, and two other

SHAWE, and Mr. BROCKLEHURST, from several Places,

He

witnesses, take the debate on the principle of the measure after it came out of the Committee in an amended shape. The present measure was merely a continuation of the Bill of last year, which had been most beneficial in its operation. A petition had been presented that night, in favour of its reenactment, signed by all the Magistrates belonging to the western district of Sussex, with the exception of one, and that Magistrate declined to attach his signature for the Separation of Church and State.-By Mr. ROBERT to the petition simply because he was not FERGUSON, Mr. INGHAM, Sir GEORGE CAYLEY, and Mr. well enough acquainted with the subject. BETHEL, from four Places,- for the Repeal of the Reci-He held a similar petition in his hand from procity of Duties Act.-By Mr. LITTLETON, from the Proprietors of Coal Mines in Staffordshire, against such the inhabitants of Farnham, in Surrey, to Mines being Assessed to the Poor Rate.-By the same, which he begged to call the attention of and by Colonel WOOD, Mr. HUGHES HUGHES, Sir RICHARD the House. The clerk, on the call of the from several Places, against the University Admission hon. Baronet, read the petition. Bill.—By Mr. E. BULLER, from Stone, for Relief to the thought the statement contained in that Agricultural Interest.—By Mr. WILKS, Colonel CONOLLY, petition would be sufficient to satisfy the Mr. GEORGE BERKELEY and Mr. PLUMPTRE, from several House of the great benefit which had atBy Mr. GEORGE BERKELEY, from several Places, for the tended the operation of the Labourers' attention to the manner in which that Bill He had paid some Employment Bill. had worked; and he knew that certain parishes had, by the application of that measure, succeeded in reducing the number of their unemployed labourers from 536 to 243. The Poor-rates had also been reduced from 700l. 8s. 10d. per month to 2997. 15s. 7d.; being a diminution of no less an amount than 400l. 13s. 3d. per month, or about 4,8971. a-year. He thought he need Scarcely state any further proof of the beneficial operation of the Labourers' Employment Bill. He knew that the Poor-law Commissioners had expressed an objection to the Bill, on the ground of its not being in unison with the original intention of the POor-laws; but he believed that the plan they recommended of employing paupers in Poor-houses was not less at variance with the principle of the 43rd of Elizabeth. Besides, the fact of Mr. Sturges Bourne, a gentleman so well acquainted with the operation of the Poor-laws, and whose opinion on any point connected with them was well entitled to respect, having refused to sign a paper which had been transmitted to the Exchequer by the other Poor-law Sir Commissioners, was a circumstance which he thought told very much in favour of the present measure. The case of the parish of Pulborough had been referred to by the Poor-law Commissioners, as demonstrating the injustice which the present Bill was calculated to inflict; but, to prove what an erroneous inference those learned Commissioners had drawn from the facts of the case, he would take the liberty of reading

against Church Rates.-By Mr. GROTE, from the Tower
Hamlets, for a Clause in the Justices of the Peace Bill.

By Mr. FEARGUS O'CONNOR, from Rathcormick, and other
Places, against the Tithes (Ireland) Bill; from two Places,
for the Repeal of the Union.-By Mr. JERVIS, from
Chester, for a Clause in the County Rates Bill.-By Mr.

FORT, Lord MORPETH, and Mr. WILKS, from several
Places, for Relief to the Dissenters.-By Lord Morpeth,

Sir D. K. SANDFORD, Dr. LUSHINGTON, Colonel DAVIES, and Mr. ROEBUCK, from a Number of Places,-against Mr. HERRIES, from several Places,for Protection to the Established Church.-By Lord G. LENNOX, Colonel LYGON, and Mr. HEATHCOTE, from several Places,--for the ConMr. H. HANDLEY, from three Places,-against the Sale of Beer Act.-By Sir GEORGE STAUNTON, from Emsworth, for Protection to the Fisheries in that Neighbourhood. By Mr. PLUMPTRE, from Stapleford, for Protecting Members of the Church of England, against a Compulsory

the Poor Laws' Amendment Bill.-By Lord MORPETH and

tinuance of theLabour Rate Act.-By Sir C. BURRELL and

Attendance on Popish and other Religious Ceremonies.

By Mr. G. BERKELEY, from Westbury upon Severn, for

Poor Laws to Ireland.-By Mr. S. MACKENZIE, from the
Parochial Schoolmasters of Dingwall, &c., for an increased
Stipend.

EMPLOYMENT OF LABOURERS.] Charles Burrell having moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Labourer's Employment Bill, expressed his sincere regret at finding that it was likely to be opposed. He hoped he should be able to induce the noble Lord opposite to allow the Bill to be read a second time, and committed, as he thought the most convenient course to pursue would be to

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